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21 Jul 2006, 12:22 pm

Still, it is true that Rabin was assassinated by an Orthodox Jew named Yigal Amir. If anything, there is evidence that he may have been put up to it by a member of Israel's internal security service. No Arabs or Arab organizations appear to have had anything at all to do with it.



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21 Jul 2006, 12:32 pm

I'm sure! And the moon is made of cheese! The earth is flat and is the center of the universe! O, Aristotle...



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21 Jul 2006, 12:35 pm

well what exactly are you sure of? that rabin was assassinated by an israeli jew? you should be, because he was.



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21 Jul 2006, 12:47 pm

I get insomia.. so am sometimes forced to watch really trashy amercian morning shows. Last one I watched was basically:

"There is absolutley no evidence or intelligence that Hezbollah [?] terrorists have any interest whatsoever in attacking the US.. BUT THEY PROBABLY WILL.. now.. I'm not suggesting that my fellow americans be overly concerned about them or scared.. BUT YOU BETTER START BUILDING BUNKERS AND SAYIN YOUR PRAYERS.."

That was the gist of it.. it was so orchastrated and fuelled. Propaganda.. don't know if the US knew it was going to happen but they're certainly using it to get people back in line.

[It was then followed by a book promotion.. how to lose weight by praying? Can't remember the title. Matt grilled them.. think he gets annoyed at being forced to cater to agendas. ;)]

[edited for really bad spelling and grammar]



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21 Jul 2006, 12:49 pm

Hezbollah poses as much threat to Americans as the WMDs that Saddam had when we invaded Iraq.



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21 Jul 2006, 2:57 pm

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If Israel has a problem with Lebanon, just be honest about it and make the war official. Don't pretend that you are specifically targeting Hezbollah while killing and injuring many others. It's not ok to destroy buildings just because you think somebody from Hezbollah may be inside.

For the record, I have the same problems with the actions of the US government as well. Faced with opportunities to take a moral high ground, the US government has turned its cheek and refused to do it.


Israel DOES'NT have a problem with the Lebanese government, which is moderately pro-western. It's in Israel's best interest to pach up relatins with the Lebanese Gov. once this fighting is over.


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22 Jul 2006, 7:00 am

riley wrote:
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The media is so censored. I haven't seen that kind of picture on mainstream news. Thanks for posting and I hope you are safe.


I just saw that picture on the mainstream news! 8O

Seriously: halfway down this page. The BBC labels the picture "The remains of Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5185256.stm

I hope that all civilians in Lebanon and Israel remain unhurt. :(


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22 Jul 2006, 7:06 am

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Israel DOES'NT have a problem with the Lebanese government, which is moderately pro-western. It's in Israel's best interest to pach up relatins with the Lebanese Gov. once this fighting is over.


If it were up to me, nothing short of the resurrections of every civilian killed and complete replacement of every non-Hezbollah structure and item would make it right. Israel would be considered an enemy nation until such time as all of that happened. Since they can't bring those people back to life, they would have to deal with being reminded of it everyday. Each day I'd send them faxes at every official government number, that could be found, reminding them of the innocents they slaughtered. When they block our phone numbers, I'd have press conferences and releases where every name was listed. Do it everyday, while putting their names and faces on TV as well. Let nobody in Lebanon or Israel ever forget about it.



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22 Jul 2006, 7:09 am

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well what exactly are you sure of? that rabin was assassinated by an israeli jew? you should be, because he was.


Indeed he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinat ... zhak_Rabin

I've heard that in his pocket was a copy of the words for "shir l'shalom" ("song for peace")

Those who make peace are always a target for assassination. While those who make war are opposed by peaceful people who might speak up, but probably wouldn't kill them.

Egypt's president Anwar Sadat was assassinated by his generals after he signed a peace treaty with Israel.


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22 Jul 2006, 10:12 am

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If it were up to me, nothing short of the resurrections of every civilian killed and complete replacement of every non-Hezbollah structure and item would make it right. Israel would be considered an enemy nation until such time as all of that happened. Since they can't bring those people back to life, they would have to deal with being reminded of it everyday. Each day I'd send them faxes at every official government number, that could be found, reminding them of the innocents they slaughtered. When they block our phone numbers, I'd have press conferences and releases where every name was listed. Do it everyday, while putting their names and faces on TV as well. Let nobody in Lebanon or Israel ever forget about it.


Since what you're saying here is impossible, yuo're saying you will never forgive Israel. How can you have a peace process without forgiveness??


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22 Jul 2006, 10:22 am

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Since what you're saying here is impossible, yuo're saying you will never forgive Israel. How can you have a peace process without forgiveness??


I'm saying I'm not interested in a 'peace process' with a nation like that. It sounds like Israel would like to be able to kill anybody they feel like and drop an apology on the way out. I'm not sure how that is going to bring anybody's children, parents, or siblings back from the dead. If any member of my family was killed, and they had no affiliation with Hezbollah, I would never forgive Israel for it and I certainly would not expect anyone else to do so.



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22 Jul 2006, 10:27 am

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I'm saying I'm not interested in a 'peace process' with a nation like that. It sounds like Israel would like to be able to kill anybody they feel like and drop an apology on the way out. I'm not sure how that is going to bring anybody's children, parents, or siblings back from the dead. If any member of my family was killed, and they had no affiliation with Hezbollah, I would never forgive Israel for it and I certainly would not expect anyone else to do so.


Yes, and you'd let that hate stir in you untill you decided to do something about it. LIKE JOIN A TERRORIST GROUP!! ! Or maybe start your own. Your part of the problem Tekneek not the solution.


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22 Jul 2006, 10:29 am

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Yes, and you'd let that hate stir in you untill you decided to do something about it. LIKE JOIN A TERRORIST GROUP!! ! Or maybe start your own. Your part of the problem Tekneek not the solution.


I'm not part of the problem. My view goes both ways. If Hezbollah killed a member of my family, I wouldn't forgive them either. What would that do? Drive me to join the IDF?



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22 Jul 2006, 10:36 am

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I'm not part of the problem. My view goes both ways. If Hezbollah killed a member of my family, I wouldn't forgive them either. What would that do? Drive me to join the IDF?


And continue the cycle of violence, yes.


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22 Jul 2006, 10:41 am

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And continue the cycle of violence, yes.


They don't need me to do that. Israel is doing their part right now to create new enemies by themselves.



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22 Jul 2006, 11:47 am

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If it were up to me, nothing short of the resurrections of every civilian killed and complete replacement of every non-Hezbollah structure and item would make it right. Israel would be considered an enemy nation until such time as all of that happened.

I understand your feelings here ... but if you did that, almost every nation would be an enemy nation. There are very few that haven't caused deaths at some time or other. That doesn't make it right, of course.


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