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Look up Irgun and Lehi on wikipedia.

Lifelong?? Were talking about kids here who know nothing different. Gee, do ya think MAYBEE these kids want to kill jews because their parets BRAINWASH them!! ! JUST MAYBEE!! !

Of course not. It not a matter of brainwash. That's a propaganda lie.

Just try to imagine what you would feel like if some country would bomb the USA (edit: or Canada ) every couple of months for about a century long and you'd grow up with that fact. And that country and their friends would say that you are angry, because you are simply evil people.

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Exactly, some people need to know WTF their talking about before they even look at the keyboard

It is true that both sides came from the same people.

This is why I don't blame Israel for any of this.

Ever since Israel got there, they've been beset from all sides by Arabs who want to "push the Jews into the sea", and are in complete support of genocide against Jews.

I think Israel's making a mistake with Lebanon, and that they would have been better off having a few Hezbollah officials assassinated for what they have done.

But that was Hezbollah's plan all along. When the guilty (Hezbollah & supporters) are mixed with the innocent (average Lebenese), some innocent will die. And this is Hezbollah's strongest weapon: Propaganda. They have not only arabs all over the middle east, but an immense amount of otherwise intelligent westerners who believe the Israelis are butchers.

Speaking of propaganda: Starling. When Arab children are taught in schools that Jews are not people but rather bloodsucking animals, do you think that's propaganda? Or do you agree with it?

Regardless, it is both Israel and Palestine at fault here. The war with Lebanon is merely an escalation.

It is probably not the people who start these wars.

It is the politicians.

Which is why I think Israel should have stuck to its original promise of assassinating all Hezbollah politicians it could manage to until the soldiers were returned.

Of course, having announced that, the leaders are miles underground, so they probably feel they need to cause this destruction to flush them out into the open.

Israel isn't perfect, although it's infinitely better than Hezbollah. I actually sympathize with Hamas quite a bit, as they were willing to negotiate for peace before this all started. Part of me wants to say it's Hamas' fault for not siding with Israel against Hezbollah, the other side says, "do you kill your relatives for having political opinions different from yours?" Of course not, seeing as I'm not an ultra-left Maoist.

This is a Disney tale.

What really happened is that terrorist jews fought their way through Palestine and the state of Israel was onesides declared. They took the land from the indegenous people and fought their way to Eretz Israel (Great Israel), which is an ideal that looks and sounds very much like Hitler's Lebensraum stretegies.

In that context I don't find it strange at all that neighbouring countries (who were also threatened by this jewish lebensraum wish) took up the arms. They lost. But why would you think that they would go home and say 'Oh well, we've lost, now we don't feel bad about the lebensraum state anymore'.

How can it surprise anyone that this violation of a people's right lives in a couple of generations? Especially when you take in consideration that jews think the world should feel guilty about WWII forever and pay lost possesions back up to the third generation.

As a matter of facts: I do think the world should be ashamed forever an d I do think people should be given back what is theirs even if it is the next generation asking for it. But I consider that to be a human right and it counts for Palestinians as well. Palestinians should be able to go back to their properties in Israel. But instead they are robbed from their houses, trees and infrastructure by Israeli's whether they be colonists or the army. You won't find it hard to find Palestinians who were robbed three times in one lifetime.

I think thát is the matter that we should talk about instead of thring to make Arabs look bad or evil or try to make up a history of equal bad behavior. That is all propaganda by Israeli's.

sadly, this is true is some palestianian schools , hamass ways are unbelievable in raising kids ....but in other side zionist ways are not much better ....just look at the photos ....i don't think these kids came alone to draw on missles .

both sides teach their kids that their enemies are inferior and animals , so plz don't talk abt one side . As for me as lebanese i say hell to them both .

Right now I don't care how the palestinian hamass raise their kids since they r not the ones who are attacking my homeland even if I pity them both.
For now i am trying to understand who are the ones who are attacking my homeland and how they think.

As for the anitsemitc thing ...this is the MOST stupid thing that I ever heard ......how can I be anti-MyOwnRace?

I can be more objective than that , what you said is very true ......their houses were robbed , they were massacred, plaestinian women and kids were fled to Lebanon like if they saw a ghost . Then the west media say: " why all this hatred? " , ....hoohoo "they hate us, why?".... hoohoo "they are terrorists" ......" oh my they r evil " ..

note that the fled of the palestinians to our country was one of the main reason of the civil war....

And you accuse me of telling "Disney tails". You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'll give you this, though, the only thing wrong with that stuff you posted is that none of it has anything to do with reality.

I'll give you a little bit of a history lesson when it comes to Israel. This isn't your revisionist garbage, either.

During the days of the Roman Empire, the Jews were driven out of their holy land, the Israel area, by the Roman Empire. They were forced to immigrate to Europe, frequently to the areas in modern day Germany and Poland that existed on the edges of the Roman Empire, where they'd be out of the way of the Romans. It wasn't until after the fall of the Roman Empire that the Israel area fell into the hands of the Arabs. Even then, the area was swallowed up by the Ottoman empire in the 1800s.

There was never a Jewish "lebensraum" into Israel. In fact, modern day Jewish immigration started in 1881, when individual Jews bought land directly from individual Arab and Ottman landholders. Completely legal. Still, once the Jews got there, the Arabs decided they didn't like them there, and began to attack. These Jewish terrorist groups that I was linked to in an earlier post, were formed in response to Arab anti-Jewish terrorism.

You know what? I shouldn't even have to go on. Anyone who cares to read the established facts knows that every large scale battle in the Middle East over Israel was provoked by the Arabs.

You know what's funny, though? The amount of USA lefties who've turned anti-Israel because they suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome, and hate Israel because they hate everything that has been touched by the very existence of Bush.

Tales, not tails.



I'm not. I'm proud for knowing that I researched this matter and that you cannot catch me telleng propaganda lies.



Maybe true, but that was only 5% of the land on which the state of Israel exists now. Read the UN website and you'll know.



That's Israeli propaganda. In fact it's a lie.



Hm, never heard of them. I'm from The Netherlands BTW.

You see, this is why I can't take anyone who's anti-Israel seriously.

Sure, they start off seemingly well informed. They know some information that isn't common knowledge, and they've even researched their position.

But when you do your own research, and you present them with the truth, they cover their eyes and ears and scream propaganda.

Actually, if you look on wikipedia it seems that all the groups were formed after the Jerusalem riots of 1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Pa ... t_timeline

You understand the context of Palestinian terrorist groups ... surely you should try to understand the context of the Irgun, etc. too

McJeff seems to think that Palestinians only commit wrongs because they are evil. Starling seems to think that Jews only commit wrongs because they are evil. In my opinion, both these views are flawed.

People act for reasons that seem right to them. To understand history you have to try to understand these reasons. Theory of mind, if you will.

It's only once all sides begin to understand one another that there'll be peace.

The source of the conflict is partly that the European Jews had nowhere to go, and instead of Britain allowing them to go to Cananda or Australia or somewhere else Britain controlled which had lots of room, they let them move to a small piece of land which already had other people living there - the Arabs. Arab nationalism arose at the same time the Jews wanted somewhere to live in peace. Both sides fought with their back to the wall, the Arabs for their land, the Jews for a new land since they couldn't go back. They could have made peace then perhaps if they'd talked, but the fighting built up, on both sides, until there was a war.