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31 Mar 2011, 1:49 pm

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What on Earth are Stormfront Trolls? People that squawk when it rains?

Stormfront is a Neo-Nazi group. They have an online plan they try and implement of recruiting on message boards, including this one.

Lovely. [/mild sarcasm]

Why would a Neo-Nazi group try and recruit at WP? Nazis would be more keen to wipe out people on the Spectrum then to include them

You should ask Wombat and NationalSocialist....two avowed Nazis on this message board who have been promoting it for weeks on end. Of course, you are speaking from a rational perspective as those on the Autistic spectrum were put to death by the Nazi medical doctors, but being rational and logical is not something Neo-Nazis specialize in.

Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention to NationalSocialist but other then the associations the words 'National Socialist' have I get the impression he is mostly anti-globalist and against internationalism while supportive of Socialism. Had he chosen a less controversial name perhaps he wouldn't be associated with SF in this case. But like I said, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to those guys, so perhaps they are full blown Nazis. So apologies if I am mistaken on this. Any case I don't understand why Nazis would come here and expect to not look like huge hypocrites or Quislings

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31 Mar 2011, 1:50 pm

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Stormfront is a Neo-Nazi group. They have an online plan they try and implement of recruiting on message boards, including this one.

That is wrong. Most Stormfront members come here because they have Asperger's and want to speak their mind. I have yet to find on the website a reference to WrongPlanet that was not RECOMMENDING the site for them to use. Having Asperger's is accepted on the forum.

HerrGrimm, you have been nothing but an apologist for Nazi scum who infilitrate this site. Sure, those who are Neo-Nazis now may have aspergers, but that doesn't excuse the beliefs and ideas they espouse on a message board. They have every right to be here if they discuss aspergers or other issues. When you come on to specifically promote an extremist murderous idealogy, you should be called out on it. No excuses. Like I told you yesterday, free speech has its limits on a private site. Once again, no one is saying those with aspergers they dont like shouldnt be allowed here, the demand is for those who are hijacking the site for a specific political purpose to be exposed for what they really are.

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31 Mar 2011, 1:52 pm

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Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention to NationalSocialist but other then the associations the words 'National Socialist' have I get the impression he is mostly anti-globalist and against internationalism while supportive of Socialism. Had he chosen a less controversial name perhaps he wouldn't be associated with SF in this case. But like I said, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to those guys, so perhaps they are full blown Nazis. So apologies if I am mistaken on this. Any case I don't understand why Nazis would come here and expect to not look like huge hypocrites or Quislings

Your view is based on the assumption that they believe eugenics is acceptable for autism. That is no longer the view for most of them.

Thank you for that observation.

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31 Mar 2011, 1:55 pm

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HerrGrimm, you have been nothing but an apologist for Nazi scum who infilitrate this site. Sure, those who are Neo-Nazis now may have aspergers, but that doesn't excuse the beliefs and ideas they espouse on a message board. They have every right to be here if they discuss aspergers or other issues. When you come on to specifically promote an extremist murderous idealogy, you should be called out on it. No excuses. Like I told you yesterday, free speech has its limits on a private site. Once again, no one is saying those with aspergers they dont like shouldnt be allowed here, the demand is for those who are hijacking the site for a specific political purpose to be exposed for what they really are.

When did I say otherwise? I promote discussion. It's not my fault I know them and what they think better than you.

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31 Mar 2011, 1:55 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention to NationalSocialist but other then the associations the words 'National Socialist' have I get the impression he is mostly anti-globalist and against internationalism while supportive of Socialism. Had he chosen a less controversial name perhaps he wouldn't be associated with SF in this case. But like I said, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to those guys, so perhaps they are full blown Nazis. So apologies if I am mistaken on this. Any case I don't understand why Nazis would come here and expect to not look like huge hypocrites or Quislings

Your view is based on the assumption that they believe eugenics is acceptable for autism. That is no longer the view for most of them.

Thank you for that observation.

Why should anyone care what Neo-Nazis believe today as opposed to what they believed in the 1930s ? The actions of who they worship today speak louder than anything...you are excusing their murderous behavior....and its sickening. They have never disavowed their murderous idealogy but only have cloaked it under effusive language to make themselves look more likeable. The fact you are buying it hook line and sinker is proof in the pudding.

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31 Mar 2011, 1:57 pm

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You really should stop doing these attacks. If I am an apologist, then go to a moderator and get me banned. I'm tired of you.

EDIT: I do not care what you think anymore. How about what others think? What do you guys say? I said I am for discussion.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:02 pm

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You really should stop doing these attacks. If I am an apologist, then go to a moderator and get me banned. I'm tired of you.

I thought we were just " discussing" it as you put it? And yes, you are an apologist..I won't apologize. All you need to do is go to any Neo-Nazi website and forum to see what they REALLY think about mentally/physically handicapped people, what they think about Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. But you have obviously chose to not do that, considering you just take the word of NationalSocialist as if what he says here is the god given truth. I would suggest you do the miniscule amount of research to see how far Neo-Nazi groups will go on websites to promote their cause....

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31 Mar 2011, 2:08 pm

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

HerrGrimm wrote:

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You really should stop doing these attacks. If I am an apologist, then go to a moderator and get me banned. I'm tired of you.

I thought we were just " discussing" it as you put it? And yes, you are an apologist..I won't apologize. All you need to do is go to any Neo-Nazi website and forum to see what they REALLY think about mentally/physically handicapped people, what they think about Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. But you have obviously chose to not do that, considering you just take the word of NationalSocialist as if what he says here is the god given truth. I would suggest you do the miniscule amount of research to see how far Neo-Nazi groups will go on websites to promote their cause....

I said autism, not all disabilities.

That is a lie. That is a bold-faced lie. You completely made up the fact I believed what NationalSocialist (EDIT: about the Holocaust) said was fact. Which websites do you go to exactly? This is what I believe. You are smearing me because my ideas of civil liberties are different from yours.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:15 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

HerrGrimm wrote:

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

You really should stop doing these attacks. If I am an apologist, then go to a moderator and get me banned. I'm tired of you.

I thought we were just " discussing" it as you put it? And yes, you are an apologist..I won't apologize. All you need to do is go to any Neo-Nazi website and forum to see what they REALLY think about mentally/physically handicapped people, what they think about Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. But you have obviously chose to not do that, considering you just take the word of NationalSocialist as if what he says here is the god given truth. I would suggest you do the miniscule amount of research to see how far Neo-Nazi groups will go on websites to promote their cause....

That is a lie. That is a bold-faced lie. You completely made up the fact I believed what NationalSocialist (EDIT: about the Holocaust) said was fact. Which websites do you go to exactly? This is what I believe. You are smearing me because my ideas of civil liberties are different from yours.

And again...for the ONE BILLIONTH TIME their is a HUGE difference between The Government and a private institution. No where am I saying their should be a ban on Holocaust denial..let them swarm on their idiotic websites all they want. I won't stop them. But THIS is not THEIR site..this is website devoted to Autism. This is not a place for them to propagate their BS to us. The article you put forth asks for a ban on Holocaust denial, which is not something being discussed here. No one here in the U.S is saying they can't do it. You seem to feel that the civil liberties of those who run this site, the moderators included, should be abridged with their right to ban anyone they see as violating the Terms of agreement as set forth when people signed onto this site. Not to be repetitive, but this has to do with this particular SITE not the overall society as a whole and how government treats holocaust denial.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:17 pm

And my accusation that you put words in my mouth?

EDIT: You know what? I really don't care what you think. Just stop talking to me. I know that I am not an apologist. I know that I am right about the views on autism, and I know almost certainly that this site is not used for recruitment purposes. Again, go to a moderator and get people banned. That is fine with me.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:20 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:

And my accusation that you put words in my mouth?

In my opinion defending atrocious people says a lot about yourself..reflects poorly.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:26 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention to NationalSocialist but other then the associations the words 'National Socialist' have I get the impression he is mostly anti-globalist and against internationalism while supportive of Socialism. Had he chosen a less controversial name perhaps he wouldn't be associated with SF in this case. But like I said, I haven't been paying a lot of attention to those guys, so perhaps they are full blown Nazis. So apologies if I am mistaken on this. Any case I don't understand why Nazis would come here and expect to not look like huge hypocrites or Quislings

Your view is based on the assumption that they believe eugenics is acceptable for autism. That is no longer the view for most of them.

Thank you for that observation.

Somehow I doubt that, very, very much.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:27 pm

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

HerrGrimm wrote:

And my accusation that you put words in my mouth?

In my opinion defending atrocious people says a lot about yourself..reflects poorly.

That's not an answer at all, but I am done talking to you. You stated that I believed NationalSocialist's views on the Holocaust were intellectually honest. I suggest you go to Stormfront and look at these things yourself. Fact-stating is not being an apologist.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:27 pm

....Sure....someone named " NationalSocialist" coming on here creating threads espousing the benefits of Nazi idealogy is not promoting it on this forum...What is he doing than, exactly?

When you make outright lies that Autism is somehow treated well and understood in Nazi medical ideas...you are defending Nazis plain and simple. Enough said....

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31 Mar 2011, 2:28 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

HerrGrimm wrote:

And my accusation that you put words in my mouth?

In my opinion defending atrocious people says a lot about yourself..reflects poorly.

So you think Stormfront is giving out " Facts"? THERE IS THE PROOF ITSELF OF BEING AN APOLOGIST. Your right....ENOUGH.

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31 Mar 2011, 2:29 pm

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Somehow I doubt that, very, very much.

Go to Stormfront then. There's is an Autism Awareness thread. Having autism is acceptable because they are still white. Spartan programs for autism are not majority opinion anymore.

EDIT: Anyone else believe I am an apologist?

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