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09 Apr 2011, 8:58 am

I'd be happy to have my own Island all to myself and occasionally (maybe) to have a guest or two over for a little while.
For the most part it would just me and my pack of guard dogs.



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09 Apr 2011, 9:11 am

I'm completely different to all Aspies, so I still would not relate.

I don't even relate to people on here, it's just the closest thing I'll get. :o



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09 Apr 2011, 5:25 pm

Mack27 wrote:
I don't think we could get enough women in our own country.



No problem. There are 2 options.

1. Institute polyandry.

2. Since a lot of Aspie men aren't getting any anyway, no-one would really notice.



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09 Apr 2011, 6:54 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
Could the OP for the stake of the discussion play the Devil's advocate with this idea.
As I'm curious to understand the rational behind it, also it would help if you could expand on your idea.


We tend to do things for good reasons. Logic. (I think)

Assuming the people in our country have other characteristics/traits needed for a 'higher society,' we would be living in our own world that makes sense. We wouldn't do a lot of crappy things that this world does.

For example, if Aspies worked in and were CEOs of banks (we would only need one anyway), then we wouldn't have ended up in the situation we are in financially.

The same for schools and education. We would improve in a way that would have less mistakes and more logic. Improvement, logic and growth. Combined with many other things such as less focus on materiel possessions and more focus on mental state and happiness in our daily lives.

5 hour work days anyone? How could we possibly do that? That's our strength-Logic and intelligence.

I'm thinking now would be a good time to move to Antarctica. We'd be so rich we could pay others to do our countries work (a small country to beigin with-to build capital)...Some force may be required.

It's like this...Aspies with an interest in trains would run trains. Generalize this and it's not difficult for us to run most public transport. If you have an interest in nature then you look after the environmental parts.

Everyone would love their job and be able to do it obsessively well. Most people would work from home if they could be trusted to do the work. Lots and lots of working out on the finer points, but hell, we are great at working out the details anyway!

I'm sure we could find 'good people' with interests in most areas and Aspies happy to do the rest. Farming and fresh fruit ect.

We would only be a small country-say 50,000 to 100,000 to begin with. Anyone have an interest in the military...and robotics?



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09 Apr 2011, 6:55 pm

Mack27 wrote:
I don't think we could get enough women in our own country.

Being gay that would rather improve my chances :D On the other hand, I seem to make friends with girls more easily, so I'd miss that...



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09 Apr 2011, 7:09 pm

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Mack27 wrote:
I don't think we could get enough women in our own country.

Being gay that would rather improve my chances :D On the other hand, I seem to make friends with girls more easily, so I'd miss that...



We would need our own playboy mansion...Essential.



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09 Apr 2011, 7:29 pm

Noob wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
Could the OP for the stake of the discussion play the Devil's advocate with this idea.
As I'm curious to understand the rational behind it, also it would help if you could expand on your idea.


We tend to do things for good reasons. Logic. (I think)

Assuming the people in our country have other characteristics/traits needed for a 'higher society,' we would be living in our own world that makes sense. We wouldn't do a lot of crappy things that this world does.

For example, if Aspies worked in and were CEOs of banks (we would only need one anyway), then we wouldn't have ended up in the situation we are in financially.

The same for schools and education. We would improve in a way that would have less mistakes and more logic. Improvement, logic and growth. Combined with many other things such as less focus on materiel possessions and more focus on mental state and happiness in our daily lives.

5 hour work days anyone? How could we possibly do that? That's our strength-Logic and intelligence.

I'm thinking now would be a good time to move to Antarctica. We'd be so rich we could pay others to do our countries work (a small country to beigin with-to build capital)...Some force may be required.

It's like this...Aspies with an interest in trains would run trains. Generalize this and it's not difficult for us to run most public transport. If you have an interest in nature then you look after the environmental parts.

Everyone would love their job and be able to do it obsessively well. Most people would work from home if they could be trusted to do the work. Lots and lots of working out on the finer points, but hell, we are great at working out the details anyway!

I'm sure we could find 'good people' with interests in most areas and Aspies happy to do the rest. Farming and fresh fruit ect.

We would only be a small country-say 50,000 to 100,000 to begin with. Anyone have an interest in the military...and robotics?


Thank you now that the OP given us something to work on for the pros (I which I'll comment on letter). Can we have the cons of the argument from the OP,. What may help is if they answer this question, why should we live in an country of neurodiversity?
When the OP answers this question I'll be happy to pass my comment.



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09 Apr 2011, 7:32 pm

Noob wrote:

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We tend to do things for good reasons. Logic. (I think)

Assuming the people in our country have other characteristics/traits needed for a 'higher society,' we would be living in our own world that makes sense. We wouldn't do a lot of crappy things that this world does.

For example, if Aspies worked in and were CEOs of banks (we would only need one anyway), then we wouldn't have ended up in the situation we are in financially.

The same for schools and education. We would improve in a way that would have less mistakes and more logic. Improvement, logic and growth. Combined with many other things such as less focus on materiel possessions and more focus on mental state and happiness in our daily lives.


It's evident that you're new here. What’s considered common sense and logic on this forum varies to the extreme between us. Read several threads and you’ll see what I mean………

Anyhow, welcome aboard. :)



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09 Apr 2011, 8:04 pm

Raptor wrote:
Noob wrote:
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We tend to do things for good reasons. Logic. (I think)

Assuming the people in our country have other characteristics/traits needed for a 'higher society,' we would be living in our own world that makes sense. We wouldn't do a lot of crappy things that this world does.

For example, if Aspies worked in and were CEOs of banks (we would only need one anyway), then we wouldn't have ended up in the situation we are in financially.

The same for schools and education. We would improve in a way that would have less mistakes and more logic. Improvement, logic and growth. Combined with many other things such as less focus on materiel possessions and more focus on mental state and happiness in our daily lives.


It's evident that you're new here. What’s considered common sense and logic on this forum varies to the extreme between us. Read several threads and you’ll see what I mean………

Anyhow, welcome aboard. :)


Thanks for the welcome.

Logic based on

Happiness
Freedom
Growth
Improvement
Fun
Education
All the other positives (such as love ect.)
I can add more...

This would be the basis of logic for me at least...Can I be in charge?

Sorry-I forget that people think differently and have different views ect.



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09 Apr 2011, 8:15 pm

We can't for-see everything-there are always unforeseen problems. Starting our own country isn't easy. To get it started-would take years, to get things stable would take years, to get over problems of startup-would take years. To get to the point of growth, that would take years too. How many? Tough to workout if we don't have a plan of action.

We would have to research where everyone else has gone wrong and how to do it better. We would need the right people behind with the right knowledge to help. We would need a ton of money.

Assuming we could 'set everything up' in a way that works, it would be down to the people in our country to manage and be happy with the way things are.

No one would 'have' to live there. But if you meet the needs of the country (if you can contribute)-you are more than welcome.

'Off the top of my head' - That's the best answer I can give. (Need more-Just ask)

By the time all that is done, i'd be ready to retire.



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09 Apr 2011, 8:45 pm

I ask this question

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why should we live in an country of neurodiversity?


To help point to the fact that all communities need a melting pot of diversity in all areas of life.
Just look around here on WP, in your local communities, your town/city, your own country & other countries. You will see people of all walks of life. I feel that an ASD country wouldn't offer that melting pot to us, by which both NTs & ASDs can learn from each other and enrich both groups life's for the better (I hope). This is why I feel an neurodiverse country can be of benefit to all of society.



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09 Apr 2011, 8:51 pm

Your right. As long as they can achieve the result-it doesn't matter. The result being the country with the qualities stated above. I guess it's the status ect.(NT 'game') I want to lose.

Hoping that would create a higher/better functioning society?



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09 Apr 2011, 8:52 pm

God I love this forum. It's good to meet you 'guys'



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09 Apr 2011, 9:34 pm

Noob wrote:
Your right. As long as they can achieve the result-it doesn't matter. The result being the country with the qualities stated above. I guess it's the status ect.(NT 'game') I want to lose.

Hoping that would create a higher/better functioning society?


Its changing a win/lose mindset to a win/win thats the key :wink:



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10 Apr 2011, 2:09 am

cdfox7 wrote:
Just look around here on WP, in your local communities, your town/city, your own country & other countries. You will see people of all walks of life. I feel that an ASD country wouldn't offer that melting pot to us, by which both NTs & ASDs can learn from each other and enrich both groups life's for the better (I hope). This is why I feel an neurodiverse country can be of benefit to all of society.

I'm afraid I don't share your optimism. Wrongplanet is actually not very neurodiverse; significant proportions of neurotypicals are found only in the Parenting forum, and many aspies refuse to venture there because the attitudes they see are too infuriating for them. As for local communities, towns & cities, and countries, those are the places many of us are trying to escape. They're designed by neurotypicals for neurotypicals, and there's no real hope that we'll ever be other than strangers in our own lands there.

Aspie dominant communities are quite different, and much more friendly to aspies, than neurotypical dominated communities. The very disagreement that appears on this forum is a good example. Neurotypicals tend to take such disagreement more personally than aspies, placing a much higher value on consensus and conformity; neurotypical dominated fora generally develop a dominant paradigm within a matter of months, with any dissenters being silenced or driven off. It's only because we're not a neurotypical forum that we see such a diversity of viewpoints continuously voiced.



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10 Apr 2011, 2:31 am

psychohist wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
Just look around here on WP, in your local communities, your town/city, your own country & other countries. You will see people of all walks of life. I feel that an ASD country wouldn't offer that melting pot to us, by which both NTs & ASDs can learn from each other and enrich both groups life's for the better (I hope). This is why I feel an neurodiverse country can be of benefit to all of society.

I'm afraid I don't share your optimism. Wrongplanet is actually not very neurodiverse; significant proportions of neurotypicals are found only in the Parenting forum, and many aspies refuse to venture there because the attitudes they see are too infuriating for them. As for local communities, towns & cities, and countries, those are the places many of us are trying to escape. They're designed by neurotypicals for neurotypicals, and there's no real hope that we'll ever be other than strangers in our own lands there.

Aspie dominant communities are quite different, and much more friendly to aspies, than neurotypical dominated communities. The very disagreement that appears on this forum is a good example. Neurotypicals tend to take such disagreement more personally than aspies, placing a much higher value on consensus and conformity; neurotypical dominated fora generally develop a dominant paradigm within a matter of months, with any dissenters being silenced or driven off. It's only because we're not a neurotypical forum that we see such a diversity of viewpoints continuously voiced.


I have to admit that my optimism is personally slanted because I had some issues with the reaction of one of my parents (both NTs) over my dx as she been in denial of the fact that I got AS. Some of her comments have been offensive & abusive, to make things worst the rest of the NT members of my family are taking her side by blaming me for the disagreement.