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marriage?
homosexuals should be allowed get married just like heterosexuals 84%  84%  [ 48 ]
people in general should not be allowed to get married unless they intend on having/raising children 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
other option 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
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13 Apr 2011, 10:17 pm

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you would still have age of consent laws or no?


Of course. I am just saying it should be illegal to have more than one wife/husband. That has nothing to do with religion at all, it is just something I have seen in other polygamist relationships I have seen on television and it does not seem to work that well with most people. I am also against divorce as well, which is also a reason. You really should know your partner before you make a major commitment such as marriage.


but maybe it would help me be commited if I had two wifes.


I think you are messing with me now :D

How are you going to keep the partners not jealous of each other? It seems logical that this is not going to work eventually.


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13 Apr 2011, 10:18 pm

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If 3 or however many people are consenting adults and want to enter into a contract with each other, I don't see the harm in it.


If anything you would have to set a certain number to avoid a mess. Again, divorce is a major issue in my views and it is complete chaos to sort all of that stuff out. So I think one and done. There is a good chance based on logic that there will be problems.


I have had my divorces it would have been better if I just added wives. (finacally it is what it turns out to be identical)
actually worse I could have a 3 income household.


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13 Apr 2011, 10:22 pm

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I have had my divorces it would have been better if I just added wives. (finacally it is what it turns out to be identical)
actually worse I could have a 3 income household.


All I have to say is there are going to be a lot of angry people when trying to figure out who gets what during a divorce. If you are going to legalize it, I hope you know what this might cause. In order to legalize it, you need to rewrite some tax code as well.


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13 Apr 2011, 10:30 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:
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I have had my divorces it would have been better if I just added wives. (finacally it is what it turns out to be identical)
actually worse I could have a 3 income household.


All I have to say is there are going to be a lot of angry people when trying to figure out who gets what during a divorce. If you are going to legalize it, I hope you know what this might cause. In order to legalize it, you need to rewrite some tax code as well.


I think the Idea is that government should not be involved in marriage.


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13 Apr 2011, 10:32 pm

What about polyandry? Are any of you men willing to be brother-husbands? :lol:


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13 Apr 2011, 10:33 pm

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I think the Idea is that government should not be involved in marriage.


The abuse of government involvement is a major reason why homosexuals cannot get married. Which is ridiculously unfair to them.


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13 Apr 2011, 10:37 pm

I've done some reading and apparently the idea that only nuclear families can be healthy is BS. The interesting thing is that the nuclear family thing is more recent than we think. Historically there's been all types of families. But one thing I wonder is, was polygamy was more common during olden times cuz of survival? Back then we faced a lot more risks and the guarantee of a low life expectancy, so maybe with the comfort of modern civilization people can afford to be couples in love rather than just passers of genes.



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13 Apr 2011, 10:38 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
I think the Idea is that government should not be involved in marriage.


The abuse of government involvement is a major reason why homosexuals cannot get married. Which is ridiculously unfair to them.


exactly remove government involvement and everyone gets the same rights.
divorce and benifits could be handled thru contracts.


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13 Apr 2011, 10:40 pm

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I've done some reading and apparently the idea that only nuclear families can be healthy is BS. The interesting thing is that the nuclear family thing is more recent than we think. Historically there's been all types of families. But one thing I wonder is, was polygamy was more common during olden times cuz of survival? Back then we faced a lot more risks, so maybe with the comfort of modern civilization people can afford to be couples in love rather than just passers of genes.


You're absolutely right. And also, polygamy was once definitely widespread in [almost] all societies, though the Christian institution of marriage itself is also recent (relatively speaking)
So back in the day, even before marriage, it was quite common for men to have multiple partners with many children. That's pretty much what we're genetically predisposed to do. We're part of the animal kingdom [whether one wants to accept it or not], and most species, especially primates, exhibit this behavior


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13 Apr 2011, 10:43 pm

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What about polyandry? Are any of you men willing to be brother-husbands? :lol:


If the human race had to be saved because of me doing this, you're all doomed.

Polygamy might have been fine in previous societies, but in this day and age do you really think this can be OK? We have a lot of things they did not have.

Humans naturally want money. I am sure there are still going to be problems in the "fine reading" of those divorce/benefit contracts that still need a court or some code.

This was actually a pretty quick derailment compared to the other threads I have posted in recently.


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13 Apr 2011, 11:34 pm

Vigilans wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
I've done some reading and apparently the idea that only nuclear families can be healthy is BS. The interesting thing is that the nuclear family thing is more recent than we think. Historically there's been all types of families. But one thing I wonder is, was polygamy was more common during olden times cuz of survival? Back then we faced a lot more risks, so maybe with the comfort of modern civilization people can afford to be couples in love rather than just passers of genes.


You're absolutely right. And also, polygamy was once definitely widespread in [almost] all societies, though the Christian institution of marriage itself is also recent (relatively speaking)
So back in the day, even before marriage, it was quite common for men to have multiple partners with many children. That's pretty much what we're genetically predisposed to do. We're part of the animal kingdom [whether one wants to accept it or not], and most species, especially primates, exhibit this behavior


Polygamy made sense when most of the men went off to war and killed each other. In today's world, however, we no longer have the right balance of numbers to make it work for society as a whole. In the US populations where they try to practice it, they have to come up with excuses for ejecting young men or the competition gets too fierce.

Long run, marriage is a social institution, that reflects the current needs and realities of a society. Which, going back to the original question, is why allowing gay marriage at this point in time makes sense. These couples are forming family units, and the marriage laws provide applicable guidance for support, inheritance, medical authority, and so on.


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13 Apr 2011, 11:53 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
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AceOfSpades wrote:
I've done some reading and apparently the idea that only nuclear families can be healthy is BS. The interesting thing is that the nuclear family thing is more recent than we think. Historically there's been all types of families. But one thing I wonder is, was polygamy was more common during olden times cuz of survival? Back then we faced a lot more risks, so maybe with the comfort of modern civilization people can afford to be couples in love rather than just passers of genes.


You're absolutely right. And also, polygamy was once definitely widespread in [almost] all societies, though the Christian institution of marriage itself is also recent (relatively speaking)
So back in the day, even before marriage, it was quite common for men to have multiple partners with many children. That's pretty much what we're genetically predisposed to do. We're part of the animal kingdom [whether one wants to accept it or not], and most species, especially primates, exhibit this behavior


Polygamy made sense when most of the men went off to war and killed each other. In today's world, however, we no longer have the right balance of numbers to make it work for society as a whole. In the US populations where they try to practice it, they have to come up with excuses for ejecting young men or the competition gets too fierce.

Long run, marriage is a social institution, that reflects the current needs and realities of a society. Which, going back to the original question, is why allowing gay marriage at this point in time makes sense. These couples are forming family units, and the marriage laws provide applicable guidance for support, inheritance, medical authority, and so on.


Oh, I'm not supporting polygamy, I think any man who decides to have more than one wife is completely insane :lol: . If that's what you thought I meant
Anyways, I support gay marriage


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13 Apr 2011, 11:59 pm

Marriage should be outlawed.

Civil unions for everybody.


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14 Apr 2011, 12:16 am

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Civil unions for everybody.


Whether they like it or not! ROAR!! ! :twisted:


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14 Apr 2011, 12:28 am

Vigilans wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
I've done some reading and apparently the idea that only nuclear families can be healthy is BS. The interesting thing is that the nuclear family thing is more recent than we think. Historically there's been all types of families. But one thing I wonder is, was polygamy was more common during olden times cuz of survival? Back then we faced a lot more risks, so maybe with the comfort of modern civilization people can afford to be couples in love rather than just passers of genes.


You're absolutely right. And also, polygamy was once definitely widespread in [almost] all societies, though the Christian institution of marriage itself is also recent (relatively speaking)
So back in the day, even before marriage, it was quite common for men to have multiple partners with many children. That's pretty much what we're genetically predisposed to do. We're part of the animal kingdom [whether one wants to accept it or not], and most species, especially primates, exhibit this behavior


Polygamy made sense when most of the men went off to war and killed each other. In today's world, however, we no longer have the right balance of numbers to make it work for society as a whole. In the US populations where they try to practice it, they have to come up with excuses for ejecting young men or the competition gets too fierce.

Long run, marriage is a social institution, that reflects the current needs and realities of a society. Which, going back to the original question, is why allowing gay marriage at this point in time makes sense. These couples are forming family units, and the marriage laws provide applicable guidance for support, inheritance, medical authority, and so on.


Oh, I'm not supporting polygamy, I think any man who decides to have more than one wife is completely insane :lol: . If that's what you thought I meant
Anyways, I support gay marriage


I generally agree and think a man would have to be crazy, or a masochist, to want more than one wife at a time..... Hell, half the time I'm not sure I believe in marriage at all.

I used to think that polygamy was not a good situation.. But, I've been watching Sister Wives.. and I have to admit, after seeing their family... they're doing it right. (Not claiming that all situations are like theirs) They work really well as a family and he's had his first 3 wives for quite awhile. They seem to make it work well.

I've always kind of liked the idea of community living... not that I could share a husband... I'm not that selfless. lol



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14 Apr 2011, 1:17 am

BurntOutMom wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
I've done some reading and apparently the idea that only nuclear families can be healthy is BS. The interesting thing is that the nuclear family thing is more recent than we think. Historically there's been all types of families. But one thing I wonder is, was polygamy was more common during olden times cuz of survival? Back then we faced a lot more risks, so maybe with the comfort of modern civilization people can afford to be couples in love rather than just passers of genes.


You're absolutely right. And also, polygamy was once definitely widespread in [almost] all societies, though the Christian institution of marriage itself is also recent (relatively speaking)
So back in the day, even before marriage, it was quite common for men to have multiple partners with many children. That's pretty much what we're genetically predisposed to do. We're part of the animal kingdom [whether one wants to accept it or not], and most species, especially primates, exhibit this behavior


Polygamy made sense when most of the men went off to war and killed each other. In today's world, however, we no longer have the right balance of numbers to make it work for society as a whole. In the US populations where they try to practice it, they have to come up with excuses for ejecting young men or the competition gets too fierce.

Long run, marriage is a social institution, that reflects the current needs and realities of a society. Which, going back to the original question, is why allowing gay marriage at this point in time makes sense. These couples are forming family units, and the marriage laws provide applicable guidance for support, inheritance, medical authority, and so on.


Oh, I'm not supporting polygamy, I think any man who decides to have more than one wife is completely insane :lol: . If that's what you thought I meant
Anyways, I support gay marriage


I generally agree and think a man would have to be crazy, or a masochist, to want more than one wife at a time..... Hell, half the time I'm not sure I believe in marriage at all.

I used to think that polygamy was not a good situation.. But, I've been watching Sister Wives.. and I have to admit, after seeing their family... they're doing it right. (Not claiming that all situations are like theirs) They work really well as a family and he's had his first 3 wives for quite awhile. They seem to make it work well.

I've always kind of liked the idea of community living... not that I could share a husband... I'm not that selfless. lol


Also, the nagging of three wives sounds like a nightmare... :lol: :wink: Just kidding
I haven't watched Sister Wives personally (I tend to stay away from T.V. actually...) but if they're all happy then Poseidon bless them
Could you ever imagine having multiple husbands? :lol: I suppose its random of me to wonder about polyandry, but it seems to be overlooked in the discussions of polyamory. I don't discriminate though :lol: 8)


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