The reason we have Poverty in the U.S.

Page 2 of 3 [ 46 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

Oodain
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,022
Location: in my own little tamarillo jungle,

15 Apr 2011, 10:14 am

ruveyn wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

The reason we have poverty in the U.S. is because there are poor people here.

Yes, some people are in poverty because they are here.

And many are in poverty because they are either too stupid or too lazy to consider alternatives.

ruveyn

and who has the responsibility of the grand economic system sometimes forcing them into that position?

_________________
//through chaos comes complexity//

the scent of the tamarillo is pungent and powerfull,
woe be to the nose who nears it.

Janissy
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 5 May 2009
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,450
Location: x

15 Apr 2011, 10:35 am

ruveyn wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

The reason we have poverty in the U.S. is because there are poor people here.

Yes, some people are in poverty because they are here.

And many are in poverty because they are either too stupid or too lazy to consider alternatives.

ruveyn

I'll grant "lazy" in those cases where it actually is "won't" rather than "can't".

But let's consider "too stupid" a little more closely.

Suppose a person really does have an IQ in the 80's because they were born with it or through terrible childhood nutrition or enviromental toxins such as lead paint. Having an IQ in the 80's is not some sort of character defect, but it probably does make it impossible for a person to progress beyond a minimum wage job. Do you think these people actually deserve their poverty for the sin of choosing the wrong genes at conception or choosing the wrong enviroment to be raised in? You write as though their IQ was somehow their choice and they should be punished for making the wrong birth choice whereas somebody with an IQ of 120 (a very fortuitous place to be, economically) deserves the rewards of making the right birth choice.

I chose IQ in the 80's because it is above the mental retardation cutoff that would qualify for disability but still low enough that reasonably paying occupations are out of reach.

xenon13
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,638

15 Apr 2011, 11:04 am

More idiocy. Someone refuses to believe in NAIRU. That is, if the poor people disappear, and there's full employment, they'll cry "The economy is overheating! The economy is overheating" and they'll create unemployment in order to respect the NAIRU. Oh, and what about these very necessary jobs that pay poverty wages.

Oodain
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,022
Location: in my own little tamarillo jungle,

15 Apr 2011, 11:13 am

no unemployement is statistically improbable as you would have to make sure that no one even takes a small sabbat between 2 jobs, today that is counted as unemployment as well.

_________________
//through chaos comes complexity//

the scent of the tamarillo is pungent and powerfull,
woe be to the nose who nears it.

cdfox7
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,700

15 Apr 2011, 11:20 am

Oodain wrote:

no unemployement is statistically improbable as you would have to make sure that no one even takes a small sabbat between 2 jobs, today that is counted as unemployment as well.

True tho it depends on what a government classes as the unemployed statistically, as past UK governments have changed the statistical definition to help them low unemployment figures without taking steps to help the unemployed find work.

leejosepho
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,011
Location: 200 miles south of Little Rock

15 Apr 2011, 11:24 am

ruveyn wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

The reason we have poverty in the U.S. is because there are poor people here.

Yes, some people are in poverty because they are here.

And many are in poverty because they are either too stupid or too lazy to consider alternatives.

I recently watched this documentary ...

http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The_Dev ... height4076

Setting aside the matter of their silly superstitions related to the mines, there is simply nothing else for those people to do and nowhere else for them to go.

_________________
I began looking for someone like me when I was five ...
My search ended at 59 ... right here on WrongPlanet.
==================================

Oodain
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,022
Location: in my own little tamarillo jungle,

15 Apr 2011, 11:42 am

cdfox7 wrote:

Oodain wrote:

no unemployement is statistically improbable as you would have to make sure that no one even takes a small sabbat between 2 jobs, today that is counted as unemployment as well.

creative statistics is a major part of modern politics, unfortunately.

_________________
//through chaos comes complexity//

the scent of the tamarillo is pungent and powerfull,
woe be to the nose who nears it.

xenon13
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,638

15 Apr 2011, 1:40 pm

Thatcher redefined unemployment nearly 30 separate times and sacked the London mayor and the whole office of the mayor because they dared run an "unemployment clock"... she damaged the trade unions mainly through a policy of mass unemployment. That was her secret weapon.

cdfox7
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,700

15 Apr 2011, 1:47 pm

xenon13 wrote:

& 20 years later the same old Tory s**t but with different gobshites. No need to sack London's mayor now cos hes a master of f**k ups.

xenon13
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,638

15 Apr 2011, 1:50 pm

London's mayor is running against the one who was there when Thatcher abolished the position in the 1980s. She went to war with the councils in general because they wanted to keep financing social programmes and wanted to raise rates on her kind of people.

Subotai
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,036
Location: 日本

15 Apr 2011, 1:58 pm

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

The reason we have poverty in the U.S. is because there are poor people here.

Yes, some people are in poverty because they are here.

And many are in poverty because they are either too stupid or too lazy to consider alternatives.

Looks interesting. Makes you wonder how many generations it would take to turn people into superstitious grossly exploited peasants.

cdfox7
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,700

15 Apr 2011, 2:01 pm

xenon13 wrote:

There's very little to no love for that b***h in my home town.

xenon13
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,638

15 Apr 2011, 2:04 pm

I know. She had a war with the Liverpool council in the mid-80s. The north, the mining communities, that was very bad.

skafather84
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,848
Location: New Orleans, LA

15 Apr 2011, 2:06 pm

Because the rich are great at convincing people they can't pay taxes.

_________________
Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823

?I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.? - Hunter S. Thompson

cdfox7
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,700

15 Apr 2011, 2:13 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Because the rich are great at convincing people they can't pay taxes.

The tax dogger Philip Green comes to mind & that swine works for our government.

HerrGrimm
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 18 Mar 2011
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 987
Location: United States

15 Apr 2011, 3:04 pm

sartresue wrote:

The Ruveyn-Reagan-Rand Rant topic

Nothing worth seeing here, move along.

Wait, this thread is serious? I thought he was joking...this reminds me of my special interest...a certain cartoon specifically...

_________________
"You just like to go around rebuking people with your ravenous wolf face and snarling commentary." - Ragtime

Page 2 of 3 [ 46 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3 Next

Jump to:

The reason we have Poverty in the U.S. Post Reply New Topic

The reason we have Poverty in the U.S.