John_Browning
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16 Apr 2011, 10:22 pm
aghogday wrote:
Historically speaking, we have had numerous presidents that suffered from mental illness. Two of the most recent that come to mind are John F Kennedy and Nixon. Kennedy's personal doctor carried around a briefcase of Drugs, including lithium. Nixon suffered from severe anxiety and paranoia.
Jefferson is one of the many historical people speculated to have had the condition of Aspergers.
In reading a biography sketch of all of the Presidents, their human frailities, mental and physical, were evident. In cases like Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt; and Kennedy they overcame physical adversity to achieve greatness.
The requirement to present a social personna to the general public, was not as heavy a requirement for the early presidents. Many of them were social isolates, with intense analytical natures.
There is some speculation that Obama has a mild case of Aspergers. Yes, people call him a narcissist, but he presents characteristics associated with Aspergers:
The reason I seriously doubt that he is a narcissist, is he treats his wife as an equal, and it is doubtful she is the kind of women that would submit to a narcissistic personality.
He is one of the most rigid people I have ever seen, with what looks like a carefully constructed personna.
From the Dakota Beacon: http://dakotabeacon.com/entry/dennis_stillings_does_obama_suffer_from_aspergers_syndrome/
And finally, he has a very low 2d/4d digit ratio of between .90 and .92 as reported in the linked article. See the picture of his hand at the bottom of the page.
https://fingerlengthdigitratio.wordpress.com/tag/jimmy-carter/
When I first saw the topic of this discussion; my first thought was "we might already have one".
Jefferson is one of the many historical people speculated to have had the condition of Aspergers.
In reading a biography sketch of all of the Presidents, their human frailities, mental and physical, were evident. In cases like Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt; and Kennedy they overcame physical adversity to achieve greatness.
The requirement to present a social personna to the general public, was not as heavy a requirement for the early presidents. Many of them were social isolates, with intense analytical natures.
There is some speculation that Obama has a mild case of Aspergers. Yes, people call him a narcissist, but he presents characteristics associated with Aspergers:
The reason I seriously doubt that he is a narcissist, is he treats his wife as an equal, and it is doubtful she is the kind of women that would submit to a narcissistic personality.
He is one of the most rigid people I have ever seen, with what looks like a carefully constructed personna.
From the Dakota Beacon: http://dakotabeacon.com/entry/dennis_stillings_does_obama_suffer_from_aspergers_syndrome/
Quote:
(1) Obama’s almost legendary clumsiness. His inability to throw a baseball is well documented. He has actually bowled a 37 during the time of his campaign. His basketball ability pretty much kept him on the bench in his youth and, as far as I can tell, no video footage of his golf game exists.
(2) Verbal glitches—possibly the reason for the ever-present teleprompters. Without them, he tends to generate long, rambling and disconnected monologues. In my opinion, his famous “corpse-man” mispronunciation has not been adequately explained. In grade school, “corps” is used as an illustration of the non-English manner in which French “borrow-words” might be pronounced. Furthermore, it seems incredible that a person with Obama’s education and political background would not have come in contact with such expressions as Marine Corps, corps de ballet, or Drum and Bugle Corps—among others. Could this be symptomatic of autistic rigidity and inability to generalize into other contexts?
And, finally, there is his infamous inability to relate: Old people should take pain pills instead of expensive medical treatments. He giggles when asked about the economy. He opened a presentation with a shout-out before announcing the Ft. Hood shootings. Then there are his vacations, golfing, partying and fundraising during the oil spill.
(2) Verbal glitches—possibly the reason for the ever-present teleprompters. Without them, he tends to generate long, rambling and disconnected monologues. In my opinion, his famous “corpse-man” mispronunciation has not been adequately explained. In grade school, “corps” is used as an illustration of the non-English manner in which French “borrow-words” might be pronounced. Furthermore, it seems incredible that a person with Obama’s education and political background would not have come in contact with such expressions as Marine Corps, corps de ballet, or Drum and Bugle Corps—among others. Could this be symptomatic of autistic rigidity and inability to generalize into other contexts?
And, finally, there is his infamous inability to relate: Old people should take pain pills instead of expensive medical treatments. He giggles when asked about the economy. He opened a presentation with a shout-out before announcing the Ft. Hood shootings. Then there are his vacations, golfing, partying and fundraising during the oil spill.
And finally, he has a very low 2d/4d digit ratio of between .90 and .92 as reported in the linked article. See the picture of his hand at the bottom of the page.
https://fingerlengthdigitratio.wordpress.com/tag/jimmy-carter/
When I first saw the topic of this discussion; my first thought was "we might already have one".
1) Nixon was a garden variety narcissist.
2) Obama is a pathological narcissist, or under another classification a fanatic narcissist. He treats Michelle so well because she feeds is ego so well. He relies on a huge ego to fill an empty void inside. He is extremely dangerous because if enough people get tired of his narcissistic behavior, he is liable to feed his ego by becoming notorious if he can't feed his ego by being loved. Comparing Obama to Hitler and Stalin is just the tip of the iceberg; his pathological narcissistic features are shared by most of the infamous dictators of today and in the 20th century: Khomeini, Ghaddafi, Mao, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, Saddam Hussein, as welll as cult leaders Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Charles Manson. I didn't list every famous person I didn't like. Clinton, Arafat, Kim Jong Il, and Chauchescu are/were all run of the mill narcissists and didn't fit the same profile.
3) Back on topic, I don't think that someone should be voted president because of ASD anymore than someone should be voted president because they are black, female, or associated with any other demographic group. What matters is their policies.
4) WTF does finger length have to do with anything??????? That sounds like Gypsy crap!
17 Apr 2011, 12:36 am
John_Browning wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Historically speaking, we have had numerous presidents that suffered from mental illness. Two of the most recent that come to mind are John F Kennedy and Nixon. Kennedy's personal doctor carried around a briefcase of Drugs, including lithium. Nixon suffered from severe anxiety and paranoia.
Jefferson is one of the many historical people speculated to have had the condition of Aspergers.
In reading a biography sketch of all of the Presidents, their human frailities, mental and physical, were evident. In cases like Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt; and Kennedy they overcame physical adversity to achieve greatness.
The requirement to present a social personna to the general public, was not as heavy a requirement for the early presidents. Many of them were social isolates, with intense analytical natures.
There is some speculation that Obama has a mild case of Aspergers. Yes, people call him a narcissist, but he presents characteristics associated with Aspergers:
The reason I seriously doubt that he is a narcissist, is he treats his wife as an equal, and it is doubtful she is the kind of women that would submit to a narcissistic personality.
He is one of the most rigid people I have ever seen, with what looks like a carefully constructed personna.
From the Dakota Beacon: http://dakotabeacon.com/entry/dennis_stillings_does_obama_suffer_from_aspergers_syndrome/
And finally, he has a very low 2d/4d digit ratio of between .90 and .92 as reported in the linked article. See the picture of his hand at the bottom of the page.
https://fingerlengthdigitratio.wordpress.com/tag/jimmy-carter/
When I first saw the topic of this discussion; my first thought was "we might already have one".
Jefferson is one of the many historical people speculated to have had the condition of Aspergers.
In reading a biography sketch of all of the Presidents, their human frailities, mental and physical, were evident. In cases like Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt; and Kennedy they overcame physical adversity to achieve greatness.
The requirement to present a social personna to the general public, was not as heavy a requirement for the early presidents. Many of them were social isolates, with intense analytical natures.
There is some speculation that Obama has a mild case of Aspergers. Yes, people call him a narcissist, but he presents characteristics associated with Aspergers:
The reason I seriously doubt that he is a narcissist, is he treats his wife as an equal, and it is doubtful she is the kind of women that would submit to a narcissistic personality.
He is one of the most rigid people I have ever seen, with what looks like a carefully constructed personna.
From the Dakota Beacon: http://dakotabeacon.com/entry/dennis_stillings_does_obama_suffer_from_aspergers_syndrome/
Quote:
(1) Obama’s almost legendary clumsiness. His inability to throw a baseball is well documented. He has actually bowled a 37 during the time of his campaign. His basketball ability pretty much kept him on the bench in his youth and, as far as I can tell, no video footage of his golf game exists.
(2) Verbal glitches—possibly the reason for the ever-present teleprompters. Without them, he tends to generate long, rambling and disconnected monologues. In my opinion, his famous “corpse-man” mispronunciation has not been adequately explained. In grade school, “corps” is used as an illustration of the non-English manner in which French “borrow-words” might be pronounced. Furthermore, it seems incredible that a person with Obama’s education and political background would not have come in contact with such expressions as Marine Corps, corps de ballet, or Drum and Bugle Corps—among others. Could this be symptomatic of autistic rigidity and inability to generalize into other contexts?
And, finally, there is his infamous inability to relate: Old people should take pain pills instead of expensive medical treatments. He giggles when asked about the economy. He opened a presentation with a shout-out before announcing the Ft. Hood shootings. Then there are his vacations, golfing, partying and fundraising during the oil spill.
(2) Verbal glitches—possibly the reason for the ever-present teleprompters. Without them, he tends to generate long, rambling and disconnected monologues. In my opinion, his famous “corpse-man” mispronunciation has not been adequately explained. In grade school, “corps” is used as an illustration of the non-English manner in which French “borrow-words” might be pronounced. Furthermore, it seems incredible that a person with Obama’s education and political background would not have come in contact with such expressions as Marine Corps, corps de ballet, or Drum and Bugle Corps—among others. Could this be symptomatic of autistic rigidity and inability to generalize into other contexts?
And, finally, there is his infamous inability to relate: Old people should take pain pills instead of expensive medical treatments. He giggles when asked about the economy. He opened a presentation with a shout-out before announcing the Ft. Hood shootings. Then there are his vacations, golfing, partying and fundraising during the oil spill.
And finally, he has a very low 2d/4d digit ratio of between .90 and .92 as reported in the linked article. See the picture of his hand at the bottom of the page.
https://fingerlengthdigitratio.wordpress.com/tag/jimmy-carter/
When I first saw the topic of this discussion; my first thought was "we might already have one".
1) Nixon was a garden variety narcissist.
2) Obama is a pathological narcissist, or under another classification a fanatic narcissist. He treats Michelle so well because she feeds is ego so well. He relies on a huge ego to fill an empty void inside. He is extremely dangerous because if enough people get tired of his narcissistic behavior, he is liable to feed his ego by becoming notorious if he can't feed his ego by being loved. Comparing Obama to Hitler and Stalin is just the tip of the iceberg; his pathological narcissistic features are shared by most of the infamous dictators of today and in the 20th century: Khomeini, Ghaddafi, Mao, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, Saddam Hussein, as welll as cult leaders Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Charles Manson. I didn't list every famous person I didn't like. Clinton, Arafat, Kim Jong Il, and Chauchescu are/were all run of the mill narcissists and didn't fit the same profile.
3) Back on topic, I don't think that someone should be voted president because of ASD anymore than someone should be voted president because they are black, female, or associated with any other demographic group. What matters is their policies.
4) WTF does finger length have to do with anything??????? That sounds like Gypsy crap!
I don't think Obama could be clinically diagnosed with Aspergers; if he has it he is doing one heck of a job of presenting a rigid social personna.
We live in a narcissistic culture; politicians in general have a bigger dose, but there is a spectrum there ranging from healthy self confidence to a pathological condition that is harmful to all that surround that individual.
There is no doubt that Obama has a bigger dose of self confidence and narcissism than most, but there was evidence that Clinton expressed his superiority, sometimes in a harsh way, to those below him, beyond the camera and charm. But, he caused no one any real harm that I know of.
It is evident that Obama commands respect when he walks in a room, but there are no reports of him showing harsh character to those that he commands. What is the pathological narcissistic quality that Obama shares with the killers you identify him with, that is beyond opinion?
These kind of people usually understand social cues and the appropriate words to say in a situation, to manipulate, whether or not they lack empathy. For whatever reason, it is evident that Obama at times does not inherently know what socially acceptable behavior is.
The wink was supposed to suggest a digit ratio correlation as further evidence, but not in a serious way. I assume wrongly that everyone that has spent much time on this site has heard of Cohen's research with Autistic people, the correlation of low 2d/4d digit ratios, and the "extreme male brain" theory of Autism.
Some people take the research seriously; some don't, but in the case of Aspergers the correlation is not as strong as it is with Autism.
The article seriously suggests that it is also associated with the aggressive nature of Presidents. And, there is also speculation that it is associated with athletic ability and ADHD.
There are many other factors involved with all of these correlations.
The underlying mechanism is that a low 2d/4d ratio on the right hand is indicative to excessive fetal exposure to testosterone in the womb. There is conclusive evidence for this; the other stuff is correlation.
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