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19 Apr 2011, 11:56 am

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The difference being that this is an internet forum for religious (& political & philisophical) discussion.
I certainly would NOT walk into anyone's place of worship and speak similarly, but this is not that.


The thread was started by a Jew to wish happy Passover to other Jews. I visualise it as a room of Jews celebrating their faith and someone walks in and makes a negative comment. I see each thread in this forum as a room with a different atmosphere and purpose. That's just my perspective. You have yours. Lets just leave it at that.

Sorry for highjacking your thread OP.



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19 Apr 2011, 1:15 pm

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My beliefs fall into the category of Pantheism, I believe in God but I view us as apart of God - connected and not separate.


Why am I only hearing this now? :lol: I'm a pantheist then. And a panther in my spare time.


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19 Apr 2011, 1:15 pm

na tis fine. Personally I like to see religious banter by people. it livens up the topic and you get to understand peoples POV's.



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19 Apr 2011, 1:18 pm

I am non-religious. And I am certain that many Aspies are not religious also because their introversion and individuality allows them to look at the world more objectively rather than dogmatically accepting the biases of a group or culture.



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19 Apr 2011, 2:29 pm

Henbane wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
The difference being that this is an internet forum for religious (& political & philisophical) discussion.
I certainly would NOT walk into anyone's place of worship and speak similarly, but this is not that.


The thread was started by a Jew to wish happy Passover to other Jews. I visualise it as a room of Jews celebrating their faith and someone walks in and makes a negative comment. I see each thread in this forum as a room with a different atmosphere and purpose. That's just my perspective. You have yours. Lets just leave it at that.

Sorry for highjacking your thread OP.

I agree with Henbane, the comment was not funny and out of place even if it didn't violate any rules and YippySkippy had every right to post it. I also think that comments like that partly explains the supposed link between aspergers and atheism.

The atheists of PPR are much more vocal than the theists. They don't have a church to go to, to get external validation of their beliefs, so they have to do it on the internet. It is rather annoying when people who don't believe in God mock him and few people who do will go through the trouble of explaining what they believe that AngelRoe did.

Another factor is that many of the atheists here seem to think that they are atheists because they're autistic, yet we have a strange crop of theists here too. Most of the theists here are more logical then most of their NT counterparts, many would call themselves SBNR but find it difficult to discuss their beliefs amid so many caustic comments.


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19 Apr 2011, 4:29 pm

I am an Aspie, yet I am NOT an Athiest, I am an Orthodox Christian!


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19 Apr 2011, 5:21 pm

It's a cliche (at least in my case).

I am a church-going Catholic.



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19 Apr 2011, 5:42 pm

All aspies are and should be atheists, those who aren't, are NTish aspies, religion is a horrendous NT trait ;)



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19 Apr 2011, 6:18 pm

blunnet wrote:
All aspies are and should be atheists, those who aren't, are NTish aspies, religion is a horrendous NT trait ;)


Even hermits who lived on top of poles? They were pretty religious, but not so NTish.



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19 Apr 2011, 6:35 pm

If we're going to generalise...

...aren't most people, in the Western world at least, atheist?

Whether positive atheist, negative atheist, actively agnostic, religious-atheist, or Christian by default but actually atheist.

I'm religious - that is that I'm a Pagan-atheist.
I take a nice middle ground, that way it maintains the idea that I'm always right either way :D


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19 Apr 2011, 6:53 pm

I am Catholic.

I agree it's a cliche people thinking most or all Aspies are atheists. It's not true!


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19 Apr 2011, 7:21 pm

Our neurology does not protect us from being influenced by other people's or society's beliefs.

I'm an aspie atheist, primarily because I was raised in a secular environment. If I was raised religiously I might not be.


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19 Apr 2011, 7:26 pm

Lecks wrote:
Our neurology does not protect us from being influenced by other people's or society's beliefs.

I'm an aspie atheist, primarily because I was raised in a secular environment. If I was raised religiously I might not be.


Unfortunately, Atheism and Religion both correlate to the parents belief, but at least Atheism isn't an active belief in something (in no God, in this case). There are many things my parents don't believe in that I don't either; fairies, unicorns, square circles, but none of these things are ever raised in conversation, because it's obvious that in the absence of a good reason to believe, you won't. (well....) Similarily, it would be absurd to even think about God in an Atheistic world; imagine how crazy someone would be to actively declare he has a disbelief in ten foot tall chickens; it's kinda assumed.


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19 Apr 2011, 8:42 pm

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Lecks wrote:
Our neurology does not protect us from being influenced by other people's or society's beliefs.

I'm an aspie atheist, primarily because I was raised in a secular environment. If I was raised religiously I might not be.


Unfortunately, Atheism and Religion both correlate to the parents belief, but at least Atheism isn't an active belief in something (in no God, in this case). There are many things my parents don't believe in that I don't either; fairies, unicorns, square circles, but none of these things are ever raised in conversation, because it's obvious that in the absence of a good reason to believe, you won't. (well....) Similarily, it would be absurd to even think about God in an Atheistic world; imagine how crazy someone would be to actively declare he has a disbelief in ten foot tall chickens; it's kinda assumed.


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19 Apr 2011, 8:50 pm

:hail: All hail rugged cowboy strangling his gigantic cock!


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19 Apr 2011, 9:02 pm

Lecks wrote:
Our neurology does not protect us from being influenced by other people's or society's beliefs.

I'm an aspie atheist, primarily because I was raised in a secular environment. If I was raised religiously I might not be.

I suspect IF you were religiously raised, you'd be MORE LIKELY, statistically speaking, to be religious. It depends on the religion you're born into, also.

One of the main tenets of Christianity is that at some point the believer must make a choice to have a personal relationship with God through Christ, contingent on the acceptance of Christ's gift of atonement on our behalf. There is a huge difference in "professing belief" just because "everyone else is doing it" and genuine, wholehearted faith in the sacrifice of Jesus. In the medieval period, there is no doubt in my mind that many Europeans had a genuine faith and experience in their faith. But one of the central truths we know and accept today that I think the Catholic church struggled with is that, no matter how much you try or how many people you torture, you CANNOT control the hearts and minds of the people. When the Catholic church and its doctrine were all there was, people would claim to believe Catholic doctrine because they feared what would happen if they didn't. But they couldn't be forced to believe it if they didn't want to. They were Christian in name only.

This was part of the driving force behind Martin Luther's movement to correct the errors of "The Church," and it was a wakeup call to explore what the truth of the gospels really was and an invitation to those who hear the gospel to make up their own minds what they will do with that message, whether to accept it or not.

I can't speak for Catholics NOW, but I know in most of the protestant churches I've ever been exposed to, at least the evangelical ones, there is a call to make that choice. If you never "walk the aisle" and be baptized, the congregation will not judge you. If you grow up and move on beyond your parents' care, no one is going to shun you if you never set foot in a church again. I'm sure there are SOME congregations that do this, I'm just saying none I've ever personally participated in.

Very likely if you grew up in an evangelical church and you never really wanted anything to do with it, you probably would never become a believer. Something I've heard about in church is when parents discuss how to raise their children in church. They don't want to push their kids too hard because they are afraid that they'll actually be pushing their kids away from God. But a lot of adults who aren't necessarily atheists but are just indifferent non-believers will admit that their parents did not push them to go to church, therefore they saw no real point in religion.

So what do you do? The kids will eventually have to make the choice on their own. The best thing I can do as a parent is equip my own children to understand what their decisions ultimately mean and teach them what our faith is all about. If my children do NOT choose to believe as I do, then I will be deeply troubled. If my kids just WILL NOT believe, then I've done all I can do. But it's ultimately not up to me, is it? If I push my kids, I push them away... If I let them go, they're not going to come to faith on their own... So it's better to give them a hard time about it and AT LEAST have the possibility of coming to faith, knowing that if they choose not to it never would have happened anyway, no matter how much or how little I did.

Anyway...

The main point is you'd probably have had the same attitude you do now even if you'd been raised differently. It's a choice, no matter what, and no "authority" can force you to believe one way or another.