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19 May 2011, 5:46 am

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And what is "wrong" if someone sells sexual services voluntarily. Is it any worse than painting houses for money (done voluntarily)? It could be honest labor as long as it is not forced.

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One of the greatest societal elements for the protection of women was the stigmatization of men disrespect women. If you kill that moral absolute with 'situational ethics' then the only people who will suffer will be women.


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19 May 2011, 5:49 am

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And what is "wrong" if someone sells sexual services voluntarily. Is it any worse than painting houses for money (done voluntarily)? It could be honest labor as long as it is not forced.

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One of the greatest societal elements for the protection of women was the stigmatization of men disrespect women. If you kill that moral absolute with 'situational ethics' then the only people who will suffer will be women.[/quote]

Not if they are paid sufficiently for their services.

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19 May 2011, 6:35 am

Honest work and less demeaning than working as a grocery clerk.



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19 May 2011, 7:15 am

I don't see the issue. If people want to make money this way, they shouldn't be infringed upon.



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19 May 2011, 9:23 am

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And what is "wrong" if someone sells sexual services voluntarily. Is it any worse than painting houses for money (done voluntarily)? It could be honest labor as long as it is not forced.

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One of the greatest societal elements for the protection of women was the stigmatization of men disrespect women. If you kill that moral absolute with 'situational ethics' then the only people who will suffer will be women.


Not if they are paid sufficiently for their services.

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19 May 2011, 9:45 am

you wont force respect no matter what, that has to come through upbringing and education.
besides if the older generation didnt make a grand problem out of the issue and "went along with it"
the general view might actually change, the disrespect of this trade was largely perpetrated by religons in my mind.
many large civilizations had a flourishing trade in sexual favour, some of them had more respect of woman (or at least seemed to have) than we do today in the west.


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19 May 2011, 11:05 am

Aren't men, who live in states where prostitution is illegal, suffering now?



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19 May 2011, 6:25 pm

What about porn. Porn is no different. They get paid to have sex. Why do porn stars have that right but normal women and men dont have the right to sell their bodies. We arent just talking about women. There are a alot of male escorts who should be able to sell sex.



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19 May 2011, 6:30 pm

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And what is "wrong" if someone sells sexual services voluntarily. Is it any worse than painting houses for money (done voluntarily)? It could be honest labor as long as it is not forced.

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One of the greatest societal elements for the protection of women was the stigmatization of men disrespect women. If you kill that moral absolute with 'situational ethics' then the only people who will suffer will be women.
Are women (and men) who are doing this voluntarily and making money with it. Suffering?

At least suffering more than painting houses for a living?


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19 May 2011, 6:35 pm

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What about porn. Porn is no different. They get paid to have sex. Why do porn stars have that right but normal women and men dont have the right to sell their bodies. We arent just talking about women. There are a alot of male escorts who should be able to sell sex.


Prostitution is legal but only if it's on video tape, what a weird country we live in.



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19 May 2011, 6:39 pm

I guess Porn is legal because the men who get to do it with the porn star women are also getting paid for it.


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19 May 2011, 7:23 pm

So you're saying I can't do any pro bono porn work? Drat!



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19 May 2011, 7:59 pm

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Students consider prostitution to pay for school

BERLIN (Reuters) – One in three university students in the German capital would consider sex work as a means to finance their education, a study from the Berlin Studies Center said on Wednesday.

The figure in Berlin, where prostitution is legal, was higher than students surveyed in Paris (29.2 percent) and in Kiev (18.5 percent), the three cities the report looked at.

The study found some 4 percent of the 3,200 Berlin students surveyed said they had already done some form of sex work, which includes prostitution, erotic dancing and Internet shows.

The results surprised the study's authors, who said they undertook the study because student prostitution had been often reported but little was known about its relationship to education policy.

"The main motivation of students to turn to prostitution were the financial incentives, namely the high hourly wages," Eva Blumenschein, one of the study's authors and a 26-year-old student at Berlin's Humboldt University, told Reuters.

Blumenschein said recent educational reforms aimed at speeding up students' time at university may play a role in them seeking out sex work.

"It's possible that because educational reforms have increased student workloads, they have less time to earn money," she said. "Coupled with higher student fees, in this instance, leads students into prostitution."

Thirty percent of students working in the sex industry were in debt, the study found.

That compared with 18 percent of students who said they would consider sex work who were in debt.




It's odd to spot this all of a sudden. I was just reading about this very same thing in my Sociology textbook earlier :study:.

It is kind of sad that they have to do that to pay for college. I know I'm not going to be too happy when I get my first student loan bill after graduation (at least I've still got 2ish years before that happens). Personally I don't think I could be a prostitute to pay the bills though.

If no prostitution, then no colllege education (for some of them). With with no education, fewer employment options at lower pay. With fewer employment options and lower pay they are more likely to have to do something like prostitute anyway.

Does anyone else see a very sad cycle here, or is it just me?



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19 May 2011, 8:08 pm

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It is kind of sad that they have to do that to pay for college. I know I'm not going to be too happy when I get my first student loan bill after graduation (at least I've still got 2ish years before that happens). Personally I don't think I could be a prostitute to pay the bills though.



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19 May 2011, 8:13 pm

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What about porn. Porn is no different. They get paid to have sex. Why do porn stars have that right but normal women and men dont have the right to sell their bodies.


This is just a guess, but I'm thinking: MONEY. It's much easier for people to make money off of pornography. Companies and stores sell it. Actors and actresses get paid a lot to star in movies like that; for some reason they are glamorized and idolized by some. And porn is more in the public eye...everyone knows what it is, it's all over the Internet, and it's accessable to pretty much everyone. I'd have to say that society has made porn the more acceptable of the two. Prostitutes often hide what they do, making it seem like something dirty and shameful; it's not very public and only the prostitute really makes money off of what she does.

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We arent just talking about women. There are a alot of male escorts who should be able to sell sex.


I do believe I read somewhere once that the number of male escorts and prostitutes has actually increased quite a bit over the years. I don't have a source, but I can try to find one.



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19 May 2011, 8:28 pm

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you wont force respect no matter what, that has to come through upbringing and education.
besides if the older generation didnt make a grand problem out of the issue and "went along with it"
the general view might actually change,.


I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.

When you say they "went along with it" did you mean that you think they agreed with it? I kind of confused on that.

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the disrespect of this trade was largely perpetrated by religons in my mind.
many large civilizations had a flourishing trade in sexual favour, some of them had more respect of woman (or at least seemed to have) than we do today in the west.


You're partly right here actually. It was called "temple prostitution." In parts of Asia every woman was forced to be a prostitute before she could marry. In fact this still happens in some places in India. In some places though, prosititues were considered to be very important people (you could guess that it was because of the service they provided, that is what I think). So you never know, it all depends on which culture and religion you're talking about.

Ah, the source for the facts is Social Problems (the 9th edition) by Henslin and Fowler. Thought I'd add that since I just learned all of this earlier. :D