The reason May 21st rapture did not happen
Respect is earned and evangelical Christianity hasn't earned it. I will not give patently absurd claims respect, particularly when made by people self-righteous enough to state their religion is the gold standard of goodness and believe that I deserve to roast to death.
Besides, isn't the whole ethos of Christianity a love of persecution?
There are plenty of less satirical debates here if you look for them. Though its hard to not engage in a debate with many Theists without them instantly crying 'disrespecting my beliefs'. Give me a break. Atheists had to hide their lack of belief for centuries. Welcome to the 21st century, where everything is hated equally and equality is often hated
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
Now is the time to talk about the sense of entitlement many religious people have. If I went onto a political forum and through a fit everytime someone criticized centre-leftism, not because of the inaccuracy of the criticisms, but simply because making such criticism is "disrespectful", people would regard me as an thin-skinned egomaniac. Yet religionists get to do this on debate forums all the time. Why? Why does society accept this gross, exaggeratted, sense of religious entitlement?
The majority of our species is religious to some extent, so that probably explains it. I'm hoping by 2100 that could change
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
Respect is earned and evangelical Christianity hasn't earned it. I will not give patently absurd claims respect, particularly when made by people self-righteous enough to state their religion is the gold standard of goodness and believe that I deserve to roast to death.
Besides, isn't the whole ethos of Christianity a love of persecution?
im saying that believers and non-believers should BOTH be courteous of the others' values. i dont have any personal problems with athiests. a great deal of my close friends are athiests, actually.
but hey, it doesnt really matter if some people on the internet feel like slandering my beliefs. i dont know you, ill never see you in my life, and if i did i wouldnt recognize you. i have friends, co-workers, and drinkin buddies in the real world
Respect is earned and evangelical Christianity hasn't earned it. I will not give patently absurd claims respect, particularly when made by people self-righteous enough to state their religion is the gold standard of goodness and believe that I deserve to roast to death.
Besides, isn't the whole ethos of Christianity a love of persecution?
im saying that believers and non-believers should BOTH be courteous of the others' values. i dont have any personal problems with athiests. a great deal of my close friends are athiests, actually.
but hey, it doesnt really matter if some people on the internet feel like slandering my beliefs. i dont know you, ill never see you in my life, and if i did i wouldnt recognize you. i have friends, co-workers, and drinkin buddies in the real world
If you have ever intruded on a debate between scientists (or, for that matter, between atheists on some internal matter), you will be aghast at how vicious the arguing can be. We generally don't {edit: try not to} take it personally; the point is that argument leads to better understanding.
Religionists claim exemption to this scrutiny because their belief is based on 'faith' and a sense of morality - and that is all well and good, until they start making truth claims about the world we live in. Once that happens (or when they start trying to to spread their morality onto those who do not share their religion, as with the drive against birth control and the claims of a religious 'right to discriminate' against gay people), they become subject to the same skepticism, scrutiny, and mockery that we apply to other subjects. If you don't believe me, go take a gander at the 'climate change rap' thread. Or just hang out around here for a while.
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If you do not have more evidence than that of Galactus, then you cannot claim I mocked Christianity. You may claim I used a false equivalency fallacy. However, when I equate those things I do it in the amount of evidence there is for both. It is my opinion that both Galactus and the Christian Judgmenet day have the same amount of evidence (none) thus if you were to worry about the judgment day you would also need to begin worrying about just about any amount of random made up ways in which the world could end, including Galactus. It is not very productive.
If you find the Galactus theory ridiculous, why is it? Is it because it sounds made up for you, is it because we have no evidence towards it? Then if it is ridiculous, what makes the Christian doomsday predictions less ridiculous?
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If you find the Galactus theory ridiculous, why is it? Is it because it sounds made up for you, is it because we have no evidence towards it? Then if it is ridiculous, what makes the Christian doomsday predictions less ridiculous?
Christianity, Islam, Judaism is just as made up. They are a product of human imagination.
ruveyn
The other Wrong Planet discussion sections are much more supportive of people. In the Politics, Philosophy and Religion section, we take joy in mocking and flaming each other. Which is what politics, philosophy and religion are all about anyway. So, take nothing here at all personally.
By the way, it is now October 21.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_apocalypse_saturday
Harold Camping, who predicted that 200 million Christians would be taken to heaven Saturday before catastrophe struck the planet, apologized Monday evening for not having the dates "worked out as accurately as I could have."
He spoke to the media at the Oakland headquarters of his Family Radio International, which spent millions of dollars_ some of it from donations made by followers — on more than 5,000 billboards and 20 RVs plastered with the Judgment Day message.
It was not the first time Camping was forced to explain when his prediction didn't come to pass. The 89-year-old retired civil engineer also prophesied the Apocalypse would come in 1994, but said later that didn't happen then because of a mathematical error.
Through chatting with a friend over what he acknowledged was a very difficult weekend, it dawned on him that instead of the biblical Rapture in which the faithful would be swept up to the heavens, May 21 had instead been a "spiritual" Judgment Day, which places the entire world under Christ's judgment, he said.
The globe will be completely destroyed in five months, he said, when the apocalypse comes. But because God's judgment and salvation were completed on Saturday, there's no point in continuing to warn people about it, so his network will now just play Christian music and programs until the final end on Oct. 21.
"We've always said May 21 was the day, but we didn't understand altogether the spiritual meaning," he said. "The fact is there is only one kind of people who will ascend into heaven ... if God has saved them they're going to be caught up."
Josh Ocasion, who works the teleprompter during Camping's live broadcasts in the group's threadbare studio sandwiched between an auto shop and a palm reader's business, said he enjoyed the production work but never fully believed the May 21 prophecy would come true.
"I thought he would show some more human decency in admitting he made a mistake," he said Monday. "We didn't really see that."
Follower Jeff Hopkins said he spent a good deal of his own retirement savings on gas money to power his car so people would see its ominous lighted sign showcasing Camping's May 21 warning. As the appointed day drew nearer, Hopkins started making the 100-mile round trip from Long Island to New York City twice a day, spending at least $15 on gas each trip.
"I've been mocked and scoffed and cursed at and I've been through a lot with this lighted sign on top of my car," said Hopkins, 52, a former television producer who lives in Great River, NY. "I was doing what I've been instructed to do through the Bible, but now I've been stymied. It's like getting slapped in the face."
Camping's hands shook slightly as he pinned his microphone to his lapel, and as he clutched a worn Bible he spoke in a quivery monotone about some listeners' earthly concerns after giving away possessions in expectation of the Rapture.
Family Radio would never tell anyone what they should do with their belongings, and those who had fewer would cope, Camping said.
"We're not in the business of financial advice," he said. "We're in the business of telling people there's someone who you can maybe talk to, maybe pray to, and that's God."
But he also said that he wouldn't give away all his possessions ahead of Oct 21.
"I still have to live in a house, I still have to drive a car," he said. "What would be the value of that? If it is Judgment Day why would I give it away?"
Apocalyptic thinking has always been part of American religious life and popular culture. Teachings about the end of the world vary dramatically — even within faith traditions — about how they will occur.
Still, the overwhelming majority of Christians reject the idea that the exact date or time of Jesus' return can be predicted.
Tim LaHaye, co-author of the best-selling "Left Behind" novels about the end times, recently called Camping's prediction "not only bizarre but 100 percent wrong!" He cited the Bible verse Matthew 24:36, "but about that day or hour no one knows" except God.
Camping offered no clues about Family Radio's finances Monday, saying he could not estimate how much had been spent advertising his prediction nor how much money the nonprofit had taken in as a result. In 2009, the nonprofit reported in IRS filings that it received $18.3 million in donations, and had assets of more than $104 million, including $34 million in stocks or other publicly traded securities.
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