US: Consistently anti-women legislature this year.

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Interestingly enough, I was reading an the article the other day about the practice of gender selective abortions in India have become a major problem and that there are way fewer girls than there are suppose to be. China has the same issue. A lot of the women are pressured or outright forced to abort female children in these cultures and a lot of the times these are late term abortions as well. It's funny(in a sad way) how these issues can be turned on their head in other countries. I think it's irresponsible to draw any comparison to the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia or wherever.

Women will drive and go with their faces and hair exposed to the light in public. What other error do you wish to propagate here?

ruveyn

Any woman stupid enough to think shoving a broken Coke bottle up her vag is preferable to giving birth deserves the obvious consequences. And a Darwin award.

BTW, women should prepare for rape, because I have a spare tire in my car.
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2011/05/pet ... t_tire.php

There are better ways of handling the problem.

ruveyn

So where is the help for a woman who may not want an abortion, but doesn't see any option? Who is providing it? From what Valentine says, it sounds as though we should all just throw up our hands and direct them to the closest abortionist. Drug problem? Abortion. No pre-natal care? Abortion. Who out there is in fact seeking to provide assistance so that women are not forced to the one choice; or does it even really matter?

(edit: Apropos of the nature of pregnancy centers, I just came across the following from a center located in Joplin...mind, this is assistance they are offering to any, not only clients. Generalizing doesn't help, on either side.)

“LifeChoices would like to thank all those who have graciously offered material and financial gifts during this season of recovery from the devastating tornadoes here in Joplin,” it said in a statement. “We are working tirelessly to assess needs and disseminate materials to those in need.”

“At this time, LifeChoices is continuing to collect baby items (diapers, formula, clothing, bottles, sippy cups, blankets, baby wash, toys, etc.) and gift cards (Wal-Mart, Target, local restaurants) that we will distribute to local families,” the center added. “We are sharing every resource we have (including our facilities) with affected clients, community members, and the medical community with whom we serve who have lost everything. If anyone has a need for baby care items, please send them to our office (531 E. 7th Street, Joplin) or they may call 417-623-0131.”

You know this is one of the reasons why I have no respect for feminists these days, they seem to think it is okay to murder innocent babies.

I'm sorry. This thread is about abortion rights, abortion occurring only during pregnancy.
Did you mean to list ways in which to not get pregnant here or elsewhere? It's not at all relevant.

One should not have to avoid being state owned. Don't acknowledge her terminology if you don't agree with it, it just makes it impossible to argue your own points without contradictions. If you do however agree with it, what you say isn't defensible.

Be a tad more stereotypically over-emotional and non-factual, Inuyasha.

Anywho. I'll be back later. I'm off to murder me some babies and play my role as a succubus for the night.

Desperately attempting to end a pregnancy in an unsafe way when a safe one is denied her by a fascist state makes a woman "stupid" and deserving of a horrible death.

Congratulations. You're a monster.

Attempting to defend American woman-hating forced pregnancy policies
by evoking foreign woman-hating forced abortion policies?


Kewl.

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There can be no "provider" of a non-procedure.

As usual with extremists, you think in absolutist terms.
Notice I didn't once advocate what women SHOULD do.
I invoked the suffering of children born into those situations due to lack of access to abortion in order to advance what women should have the RIGHT and ABILITY to do, to people who supposedly are anti-choice due to some concern for "the child".

That being said, I personally DO think it's far more ethical to take a pill and endure a couple days of uterine bleeding versus bringing a crack baby into the world to suffer in agony unnecessarily.


The people who fight politically and culturally for both access to and affordability of abortion,
and for welfare, subsidization of obstetric care, and daycares for single mothers.
That is, political and cultural liberals.

I can donate directly to the victims (and have) without having to go through a propagandist group deceivingly-posing as a neutral source of information for pregnant women.

I am wary of any implication that someone's biological capabilities constitute an ethical argument for government mandation of those functions.

The procedure is dependent on medical technology.
The right to elect said procedure is "dependent" on nothing more than does the outlawing of slavery and the most basic principle that individuals should hold autonomy over their physical person.
That and the fact that try as they might anti-choicers can't among the whole of them formulate an ethical argument against it aside from woman-shaming and emotional rhetoric regarding words like "mother", "baby", "murderer", and "innocent".


Glad you agree- it is indeed barbaric. Such is why everyone should have access to health care, rich and poor alike.


The oppression of women is already-present in the fact that those cultures so highly value males and devalue females in the first place.
You can't be referring to women being coerced and state-forced to undergo abortions,
since you have no problem with women being coerced and state-forced to continue pregnancy and childbirth against their will,
and constantly shame them for opting out of those things.
Feminism has been "bewitched" by abortion (if by "bewitched" you mean "adopting a pro equality and reproductive freedom stance which is only consistent with their philosophy") because it is concerned with themes and ideologies which seek to oppress and subjugate on the basis of sex and/or gender, and advocacy and codification of state-ownership and forced-reproduction of half the populace on the basis of their sex is outrageous.

@91 Do you think people should be allowed to do with themselves as they please regardless of what their body would naturally do? If not why, your arguments confuse me a bit and I think this question would help.

It isn't opposed to libertarian sentiment at all, cuz freedom and security are two different things. You have complete freedom in the wilderness, but you have the responsibility to either provide yourself food, clothing, and shelter or take the initiative to have others provide em for you. You have complete security in prison where you are guaranteed to be fed, sheltered, and clothed through governmental obligation but you sacrifice freedom for that security. Any typical modern society would have a compromise between both, leaning toward one or the other.

Freedom of speech for example doesn't mean the government is obligated to provide you with pen and paper for free, but that you can exercise that right through those means. Freedom is about granting individual autonomy, not a free ride. Being self reliant rather than dependent is a lot less comfy since you are more personally responsible.

Anyways, I love how loaded the title of the thread is.

1) If being anti-abortion means I'm anti-women, then I must be racist for being against affirmative action . Yeah, being against abortion means I must be in favour of em being smacked, raped, not being able to vote, and not being able to go anywhere without the company of their SO. I must also think blacks should be lynched for even daring to have better prospects than picking cotton.
2) Let's cut the melodramatic BS. The US is nowhere near Saudi Arabia's level in terms of human rights when it comes to women.

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