Why are conservatives hated more than liberals?

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28 May 2011, 11:12 am

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it does however seem that the very idea of "conservatism" opposes progress, the world is moving and a society needs to do the same.


Progress towards what?


progress towards a state where more people enjoy greater benefit from existence?


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28 May 2011, 11:13 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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it does however seem that the very idea of "conservatism" opposes progress, the world is moving and a society needs to do the same.


Progress towards what?


progress towards a state where more people enjoy greater benefit from existence?


and steal from their betters.

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28 May 2011, 11:14 am

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They are overgrown white trash.

Next question?


As opposed to left wing property hating slime.

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28 May 2011, 11:15 am

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Without taking either side, either the conservative or liberal side, it always seems to me that conservatives are hated or attract more disrespect than liberals. Why is this, when they are ultimately just two ends of the political spectrum? Maybe because conservatives are accused of less progressiveness (interpreted as backwardness) or conservatism gets associated in some people's minds with fascism or other reason? If indeed you think conservatives are actually hated more?


Conservatives will not shed a tear for the stupid or lazy folk of the world. They won't sing Kumbaya with the down trodden and that is why they are hated.

Do you know the story of the grasshopper and the ants? it has two endings, a liberal ending and a conservative ending. In the liberal ending the ants end up feeding the grasshopper through the winter, proving to the grasshopper that he was right all the time -- he did not have to work or save and the world owes him a living. In the conservative ending to the story the grasshopper starves to death or freeze to death and it serves him right for being stupid and lazy.

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Actually, insects hibernate through the winter.


It is a parable.

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28 May 2011, 11:17 am

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The real question is why is "liberal" so often used as a pejorative?


Because liberal has taken on a completely different meaning from its original one.


Indeed. In its original meaning it meant favoring liberty over tyranny. At this time the closest term to the -original- meaning of liberal, is libertarian. In the current usage a liberal is one who favors State (Government) intervention in the affairs of the citizens and equalizing income through taxation and regulation. Generally it means soaking the rich because they were either lucky or successful.

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28 May 2011, 11:18 am

ruveyn wrote:
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it does however seem that the very idea of "conservatism" opposes progress, the world is moving and a society needs to do the same.


Progress towards what?


progress towards a state where more people enjoy greater benefit from existence?


and steal from their betters.

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or acknowledge that humanity's economic potential today is finite so anyone who exceeds a certain threshold will always be a danger to the wellbeing of his fellow man?


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28 May 2011, 11:20 am

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or acknowledge that humanity's economic potential today is finite so anyone who exceeds a certain threshold will always be a danger to the wellbeing of his fellow man?


How is the success of someone like Elon Musk dangerous the wellbeing of his fellow man? Is the refusal to feed the worthless and stupid hungry dangerous. Helping such folk merely propagates the misery.

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28 May 2011, 11:30 am

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Helping such folk merely propagates the misery.

This. Ever wonder why you're not allowed to feed wild birds?



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28 May 2011, 11:32 am

ruveyn wrote:
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or acknowledge that humanity's economic potential today is finite so anyone who exceeds a certain threshold will always be a danger to the wellbeing of his fellow man?


How is the success of someone like Elon Musk dangerous the wellbeing of his fellow man? Is the refusal to feed the worthless and stupid hungry dangerous. Helping such folk merely propagates the misery.

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and you purposefully picked one who is not, to me that shows you know there are plenty of examples of people that have overdone it.
most companies start out as great ventures into the financial world and end up as a privately owned job program, rivalling any social state out there.

i dont think people should get something for nothing, no one can get support in denmark without at least some commitment(how effective the sytem is is another issue, they should fix the loop holes)
but i do think some peoples financial worth is disproportiante to their worth to humanity.
you can say people dont deserve help if they actually are expecting to get everything handed on a platter but in reality there are many who are born into these situations.
social services allow many people to break free from a sitation they would have been stuck in for the rest of their lives otherwise, some will still be stuck.
removing direct financial requirements for education allow people that have the brain to take the education they want, further leveling the playing field.

many of these social services actually act to empower and provide a new level of personal liberty to a large portion of people that had little hope of ever attaining that without these tools.


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28 May 2011, 1:03 pm

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I think of conservatism as the ideology of restriction, bound by tradition, dogma, and authority.


Some conservative elements are like that, but then a lot of 'liberal' elements will try to excuse and justify things that no-one in their right mind should under a twisted notion of "tolerance for other cultures".

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Conservatives wish to impose their religion and sexual mores on you.


This sounds more like more religious and social conservatism. I dislike both. Whatever you do in private is your own business.

A lot of conservatives are huge believers in liberty - and no, I haven't got a lot of time for those that want to impose their view of the world on others.

Libertarian conservatives aren't like this. There is a big comorbidity between conservatism and libertarianism, especially on the right in Britain in recent years.



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28 May 2011, 1:05 pm

The best SIMPLEX answer is:

BY WHOM?



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28 May 2011, 2:56 pm

Tequila wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
I think of conservatism as the ideology of restriction, bound by tradition, dogma, and authority.


Some conservative elements are like that, but then a lot of 'liberal' elements will try to excuse and justify things that no-one in their right mind should under a twisted notion of "tolerance for other cultures".

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Conservatives wish to impose their religion and sexual mores on you.


This sounds more like more religious and social conservatism. I dislike both. Whatever you do in private is your own business.

A lot of conservatives are huge believers in liberty - and no, I haven't got a lot of time for those that want to impose their view of the world on others.

Libertarian conservatives aren't like this. There is a big comorbidity between conservatism and libertarianism, especially on the right in Britain in recent years.


The social conservatives in the US have made a fairly successful effort to expel or silence all the intellectuals in the Republican party. The libertarians seem to ignore the perils of unchecked corporate power and refuse to address environmental issues.

Liberal intellectuals don't like to criticize their fellows, even for absurd assertions, I guess for fear of appearing insensitive.

Debate here has devolved to new lows. It's no fun anymore.


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28 May 2011, 3:34 pm

It has more to do with the fact that liberals controlled the media and academia until Fox News entered the scene.

Also many Conservatives don't hate Liberals, they think liberals are just ill informed, you see more of the hatred coming from the left which can't tolerate people having a different opinion.

They call tea partiers racist, got news for the far-left; the tea party is supporting Palin, Bachmann, and Herman Cain. That is two women and an African American, so how is the tea party related to the KKK again...

Thing of it is, thanks to Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and other Conservatives that are willing to speak out and stand up to the leftist agenda, people are finally seeing liberals for what they are.

Not saying all liberals are bigots, but it seems a good percentage of them are.



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28 May 2011, 3:47 pm

Stereotype conservatives are intrinsically easier to hate; the religious zealot, the racist redneck, the corporate fat cat, etc. Liberal stereotypes such as the ivory tower intellectual, the limousine liberal, the hippy burnout, etc inspire more indignation than hate IMHO. That's my crack at a simple explanation anyway.


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28 May 2011, 3:51 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Stereotype conservatives are intrinsically easier to hate; the religious zealot, the racist redneck, the corporate fat cat, etc. Liberal stereotypes such as the ivory tower intellectual, the limousine liberal, the hippy burnout, etc inspire more indignation than hate IMHO. That's my crack at a simple explanation anyway.


I've noticed that with Star Trek Enterprise and Firefly that a new stereotype was attempted to be invented: the non-racist technologically adept redneck.



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28 May 2011, 3:51 pm

I think Dox and Neanthumain are kind of on the right track.

In addition though, I'd say that conservatives have earned more hatred of and have less representation in the cultural elite. This is mostly for reasons lining up with Neanthumain's reasons, because conservative culture tends to clash with the aims of media culture(which is creative and open, not repressive), media culture will tend to trash conservative culture and do so viciously and often.