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01 Jun 2011, 12:00 pm

Philologos wrote:

I am, frankly, perfectly content to trust that I will not fall through this chair and that the tide will go in and out. .

Gravitation and Coulomb repulsion. What more do you want? Like charges repel which is why you don't sink into the ground and why you can't walk through walls.

Occassionally an electron can tunnel through a potential barrier. That is a quantum effect.

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01 Jun 2011, 3:24 pm

ruveyn - wondering - how much is persona and how much is you truly prefer not to shift your gaze more than five degrees above or below horizontal?

I am pretty prosaic, but I need a wider range than that for comfort.

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01 Jun 2011, 5:10 pm

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Actually we can explain that. The gravitational tug of the sun and the moon. Next question?

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Missed the meme?

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01 Jun 2011, 6:06 pm

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Missed the meme?[/quote]

Of course. I am genetically programmed to miss just about everything.

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01 Jun 2011, 6:13 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Missed the meme?

Of course. I am genetically programmed to miss just about everything.

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This site might come in handy then. http://knowyourmeme.com

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01 Jun 2011, 6:29 pm

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STOP NATTERING ABOUT THE STUPID TURTLES, FOR GOD"S SAKE!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B-K4NGo2HE[/youtube]

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01 Jun 2011, 6:37 pm

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Those scientists actively researching the Big Bang do not say "show's over." We understand more now about the physics of the early universe than we used to, but science never claims to have absolute or final knowledge on any subject. For some reason the fact science changes, which is its greatest strength, is seen as a weakness by some people.

exactly. You gotta walk before you can run. Let the next generation work on whats before the big bang. You cant cane the Wright Brothers because they stopped at building the first plane and didnt go on to build the space shuttle.

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01 Jun 2011, 6:48 pm

Philologos wrote:

The dialog:

What was before the Big Bang ? You don't know, do you?

Well, what was before the dimensions folded up? You don't now, do you?

You really think time has just gone on with no beginning? Lame.

Might as well admit it. God did it.

How do I know? Look here - in the beginning God. Can't get past that.

What do you mean, what was before God? That's a meaningless question.

STOP NATTERING ABOUT THE STUPID TURTLES, FOR GOD"S SAKE!

Well, you can't answer it either.

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Thank you, Brother Martial.

Leave us notice, We are sitting here in these few million years [has it really been that long? Seems like yesterday]. EVERY day the sun comes up somewhere, every night it goes back into its cave, plants bloom, set seed, die, and new plants grow up, the birds chirp and kick the fledgelings out of the nest, and EVERYTHING WE SEE comes OUT of something else and gives place to something else.

Of course we think the egg chicken egg alternation is all there is.

If you stand by the side of the highway in the midst of the desert you cannot begin to imagine New York and Los Angeles even though the highway connects them.

What came before the Big Bang - if there was a Big Bang? I do not know. I cannot imagine. Is it even a meaningful question? Could I understand the answer?

What came before God - if there is a God? I do not know. I cannot imagine. Is it even a meaningful question? Could I understand the answer?.

More turtle soup, anyone?

why is it that religion is the only subject that is exempt from scrutiny? i mean i would assume it needs it the most, yet most of the world frowns on those that try, maybe because they dont like what they will hear if religion is examined closely

idk about you but me personally, when i scrutinized it what i found is that religion is silly, and is a fantastic story with little to no basis in reality. thats just what i got but its probably different for everyone idk

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01 Jun 2011, 11:37 pm

If you follow more than a couple of my posts you will see I scrutinizew everything.

Constantly.

I scriutinize why I keep visiting here.

There are, I am sure some who do not scrutinize their religion and will not stand to see it scrutinized. There are, I know - I have dealt with atheists a lot more than I have dealt with any kind of theist - people who will not scrutinized or hear scrutinized their politics or their transformationalism or their environmentalism.

I say again: what I believed yesterday I scriutinized constantly and changed when the balance of evidence pointed the way. What I believe today I scrutinize constantly and change regularly when
the data demand. And what I conclude tomorrow will again bew scrutinized.

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02 Jun 2011, 12:58 am

Philologos wrote:

I scriutinize why I keep visiting here.

I think we all do.

(Feel free to scrutinize the above statement... your interpretation is probably at least as valid as my intent)

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02 Jun 2011, 3:32 am

dionysian wrote:

Philologos wrote:

I scriutinize why I keep visiting here.

I think we all do.

(Feel free to scrutinize the above statement... your interpretation is probably at least as valid as my intent)

The man is a linguist, for goodness sake! Scriutinizing is completely different from scrutinizing. That extra "i" is in the center of his forehead famous for screwing up any analysis and he is obviously a genius at that.

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02 Jun 2011, 6:08 am

TheKing wrote:

I scrutinize religion every day of the week and I am not the least bit gentle or charitable when I do so.

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02 Jun 2011, 8:31 am

dionysian wrote:

Philologos wrote:

I scriutinize why I keep visiting here.

I think we all do.

(Feel free to scrutinize the above statement... your interpretation is probably at least as valid as my intent)

There are two principal readings:

A. "I think each of us scrutinizes our individual reasons for frequenting PPR"

B. "I think each of us scrutinizes why Philologos frequents PPR"

At first glance, A makes more sense, the use of "scrutinize" in B is anomalous. But there is some reasons to doubt the claim of A: from what I have seen it is simply not true that a majority of any group will constantly reevaluate their positions and programs of action.

Further, the anomaly of "scrutinize" in B does not detract from its effect as a snappy comeback. Some might feel it enhances it. And the character as so far revealed of dionysian would be compatible with snappy comebacks.

On these grounds we consider alternative B more plausible.

That said, we have three primary readings of B:

B1. snappy comeback made qua snappy comeback without deeper meaning.

B2. snappy comeback implying we do not get Philologos and perhaps wish he would go away.

B3. snappy comeback implying we wonder why Philologos wastes time trying to communicate with the earless.

Option B1 is attractive. I have myself a habit - some think it is a bad habit - of making snappy comebacks BECAUSE they are, often saying things I do not mean because of their epigrammatic quality.

But oone does not know dionysian's style well enough to choose one of the three as most likely. We would need more data.

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02 Jun 2011, 8:36 am

Therefore we choose to respond with one type of comeback - not usually snappy - which we have long cultivated:
Answering the question straight in spite of suspicions it may naot have been intended to be taken at face value:

I stick around PPR

A. to gather useful data in certain areas

B. to support and engage the thoiughtful

C. to supply others with data and critique the use of language

D. so far as possible to maintain a toehold for serious informed discussion of religion

E. vecause I belireve at present I am called to do so.

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02 Jun 2011, 8:50 am

Philologos wrote:

And the character as so far revealed of dionysian would be compatible with snappy comebacks.

Nice one, word lover.

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02 Jun 2011, 8:56 am

I find I get on best, if there is nobody of the very small set of serious deep thinkers available, with those who do a good snappy comeback. I have to say you have struck me as lavcking in deficiency in this area.

I do not say that to everyone.

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