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11 Jun 2011, 1:16 am

That is why, whenever someone asserts the existence of God, Heaven/Hell, or the Afterlife in general, I ask for evidence.

Without that evidence, there is no reason to believe their assertion.

It's just that simple.



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11 Jun 2011, 1:23 am

Fnord wrote:
That is why, whenever someone asserts the existence of God, Heaven/Hell, or the Afterlife in general, I ask for evidence.

Without that evidence, there is no reason to believe their assertion.

It's just that simple.


Actually, it's not quite that simple. Most really practical people act on evidence and I agree that, until dead people come back and tell all, I will certainly act as if there is no afterlife. But one never knows what it feels like to be dead since pragmatism suggests there is nobody to feel anything after we die. There is a difference between acting on information and believing all information is available to act upon.



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11 Jun 2011, 1:51 am

Fnord wrote:
That is why, whenever someone asserts the existence of God, Heaven/Hell, or the Afterlife in general, I ask for evidence.

Without that evidence, there is no reason to believe their assertion.

It's just that simple.


but when it comes to subjects as unexplored at this we also have to look at what some of todays hypothesis(scientific) propose and some of then state that life after death is a possibility, actually a physical process that one can explain.
in that light i made this thread, not to say anything with certainty as i rarely do that but to discuss what implications a natural life after death would have for the abrahamic religions and our existence in general.

i gather you understand quantum mechanics better than i do, all of this is properly explained in the link i posted before, it really is quite the read.


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11 Jun 2011, 8:32 am

One thing - for those of us for whom a divine entity is NOT the "God of the Gaps" that has been proposed as one explanation for what those outside do not understand, "natural" processes - Earth's rotation and orbit as accounting for days and years, evolution as accounting for species, atoms and their components and combinations as accounting for fire and other transmutations, R-waves accounting for telepathy [wait, this race has not discovered those yet], the fact that the R-structure on the death of the body is transposed to the next higher or lower plane as equivalent to the hypothesized afterlife, and whatever else diligent investigation may turn up, does not argue FOR a divine entity nor against.

If for you God IS THERE - as I am here for some who believe in my existence - then he does not become redundant when you find an alternative explanation, stupid when you find a typo in the Bible, or impotent when you show siomething is not "supernatural". What is natural is God-product, after all.

I fear the evidence is that God is PROVEN only by himself in an individual basis with no pattern we can discern from this end of the universe.



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11 Jun 2011, 8:57 am

Oodain wrote:
... i made this thread, not to say anything with certainty ... but to discuss what implications a natural life after death would have for the abrahamic religions and our existence in general.

You have been very clear from the beginning ...
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... would life after death "prove" there to be a divine entity?

No, that would only prove "life" beyond life as we presently know it ...

... and at that point, I certainly hope somebody intelligent is in charge!


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11 Jun 2011, 1:54 pm

The proof of life after death would be the equivalent of the babel fish from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"


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"The Babel fish is small, yellow, leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the universe. It feeds on brain wave energy, absorbing all unconscious frequencies and then excreting telepathically a matrix formed from the conscious frequencies and nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain, the practical upshot of which is that if you stick one in your ear, you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language: the speech you hear decodes the brain wave matrix. It is a universal translator which simultaneously translates from one spoken language to another. The Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different cultures and races, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."



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11 Jun 2011, 2:09 pm

Not sure I see why life after death would do that - but it is true some of us survive ONLY because without reading our thoughts they cannot be CERTAIN we are Green Monkeys.