Youth camp shootings follow Oslo explosion

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he was presented as a very racist person on the news,
the death tally is now up to 87 and counting as police is seaching the island, with no real count of participants it takes a while.

f*****g horrible how hatred can twist a human being.

I only tip my hat to individuals like Varg Vikernes for their anti-capitalist/consumerist/materialist sentiments. Otherwise....they deserve all the opprobrium they have received.

I don't know, I think Leif Nagell may be the smartest guy in that flick. Vikernes probably did kill that guy.

Horrible yes, but what will putting him to death accomplish?

unfortunately no, this is Europe. Norwegian prisons are said to be pretty much holiday resorts with free bed and board. their penal system is one of the most humane, with focus on rehabilitation (sic!). just check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1277158/Halden-Prison-Inside-Norways-posh-new-jail.html



he should be silenced & punished somehow. can't see how that could be done in a country with a penal system like this one though.

If the 87 death number is confirmed, then putting him to death will make the body count even.

What have you heard about the bombing?


"The news about the terrorist attacks that took place yesterday in Norway kept on getting worse and worse. First, we heard that a massive bomb blast took place in the heart of Oslo, causing major destruction and chaos. "

ruveyn

Norway isn't Texas. He won't be executed.

21 years in prison seems like a fitting punishment for the crime. I bet those guys want the death penelty now, haha. Its always like that though, wait until someone you care about is murderd.

Oodain - you're closer.

Are they still talking the things to be connected? And if so HOW?

When I entered the U we had to take a psych test - one question I vividly remember was "True or False - I am controlled by a secret radio from God"

As if your radio would let you answer that. I wonder where the guy's secret radio comes from.

He won't, he'll most likely will get "forvaring" ( search for "Involuntary commitment" on wikipedia, I'm prevented from using links for some reason), which is prison with a minimum sentence that can be extended indefinitely if still considered dangerous, effectively potential lifelong inprisonment. This is the maximum penalty possible in norway, but it's not considered a punishment as such, but a way to contain dangerous individuals. Normal prison is limited to 21 years (also called "livstid" meaning "lifetime" which is not really correct), which is regarder as a "punishment" but with the intention of rehabilitation. Our legal system is based on rehabilitation and protecting the society against dangerous people, not revenge as it seems the thinking is in USA.

I personally think (as most Norwegians) feel death penalty is inhumane and immoral as it's illogical to kill someone if we think killing is wrong (and if someone is incorrectly found guilty, killing them makes the incorrect judgement horribly worse). For a spree killer, I think letting them die or killing them is too kind, a quick and easy way out (especially as spree killers often kill themself anyway), while indefinite containment is much more of a punishment, because they have to live with what they have done. And even if he cannot feel any regret, having him locked up and kept from doing anyone more harm is what a civilized society should do.

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Although the bomb was terrifying, I fell that the shooting disguised as a policeman was (even before the death toll were updated) orders of magnitude worse. How cruel to abuse the authority and resect we have for the police uniform to do such horrible murders. A bomb is horrible and evil, but in a way a somewhat understandable and "normal" type of terrorism, but the cruelty of abusing the trust of young people and killing them up close and personal is just horrible.

if it was someone *I* cared about, I would be quite content with such penalty. 21 years is just about enough time to prepare a revenge plan, and I'd still probably be able to recognise his face and hunt him down when he gets out.

im with you on that one, i cant imagine how horrifying it must have been for some of the teens forced to watch heir friends get killed.
as far as i can understand he is the only suspect they are sure about, i have heard mention of one other suspect, maybe qvasi knows more.
there seems to be a conection but since the bomb could have easil been timed another suspect isnt a neccesity (if there are some i hope they find them)
or i might catch the NRK broadcast if i can find the channel.

What is this about teens. I am sure anyone would be upset to see a friend or acquaintance killed regardless of age.

ruveyn

Police now describing goofus as a "fundamentalist christian", in addition to his other labels.

We don't have to have the "poor minority social problems" you imply increase violence; in some ways, it is our own prejudice that creates those social problems.

On the original topic: my heart really cries for everyone affected by this tragedy. Lunacy can happen anywhere, anytime, unfortunately, and this was the result of simple lunacy, as far as I can tell.

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