Ghandi is overrated.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ0i3nCx60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkcDgeYBdk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGuzFUeDDgY

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Everyone says Ghandi's overrated or gay or a pedophile. I tend to believe people in general are overrated especially Nietzsche.

We don't have time to watch all these.

Sum them up, what were Teresa's crimes?

Yeah people in general tend to be mythologized. I wish we could just accept that they're made of flesh and blood.

The are not crimes. She glorifies sickness, poverty, pain and suffering. These are not crimes. They are just not graceful. She pretended to be a saint, but in fact she was cruel and hard of heart and she treated her acolytes like scum.

ruveyn

Not my problem. It's only about 25 minutes in total.

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Damn, she was really that twisted after all, yet they call her a saint lol.

Thanks no doubt but I cannot productively do vids.

Any prose sites?

A: She glorifies sickness, poverty, pain and suffering. : This could be aken as implying masochism, asceticism, the understanding expicit in much of Christrianity and implicit in all Christianity that suffering is a force for change and may have redemptive power, or several other things. What exactly was she saying? I can and will look it up on top of what I have read, but you must base this on something.

B. She pretended to be a saint, - Based on what evidence? I havew not heard of hder making such a claim.

C. She was cruel and hard of heart and she treated her acolytes like scum. Depending on the evidence ypou may have backing up statement A, this may mean only that she was a hard-headed Albanian woman with an agenda [I have seen a young punk male Sicilian cowed by such an Albanian woman. Treated like scum by whose standards?

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We could point out you are - by your nature - a rude mule-headed buttinsky who spits on every idea other than your own., If we do we also will point out that you draw the line between cointempt and opprobrium, which I do appreciate.

Are we to call you evil? I have read certain posters labelling some of your hard-headitudes evil?

If YOU were running an org providing services to the needy, how would we rate you?

the problem here is that most of those "hospitals" used no way of comforting or trying to comfort patients that actually suffered (it would "bring them closer to god" delusional from pain more like it)

here is an article, quite long.

An admittedly very quick flick turns up from Wikipedia "They accuse her of proselytizing, strongly opposing contraception and abortion, believing in poverty's spiritual goodness and alleged 'secret baptisms of the dying'.

A. roselytizing - oh, how dare a member of a religion attempt to proselytize! Headshaking aside, how are we to read this alongside the fact that she has been condemned by Evangelicals and even Catholics for FAILING to use her work as a springboard for proselytization? You can't have it both ways - eith she DID, or she DIDN'T. If she did, either she did it TOO MUCH or she did it TOO LITTLE.

In my experience, when two sides criticize you from opposite directions on the same issue, either you are just about on track or SOMEBODY is using lousy data.

B. Opposing contraception and abortion. Being a fairly conservative Catholic religious, of course it is pure evil that she would think that way. There are plenty of very meek mild people - not hardheaded Albanian women - who hold that view and act on it and unless you buy into the contemporary trend ov demonizing everybody you disagree with, I do not think you can call that evil. Unless you have evidence she was forcing people into sex and killing abortionists.

C. Poverty's spiritual goodness - this too is a common Christianb understanding alo foyund elsewhere. She was a religious - in many traditions - not only Christian - those who dedicate themselves to religious life giuve up the world. And you do not have to be Christian to respect somre of the poor more than many of the rich - I have heard that attitude from atheists here. Evil might be if she is forcing people into poverty.

D. Alleged baptisms - Okay, alleged. Suppose it is true. The ham and evil is? Such a baptism is not going to have any effect - it is hard to imagine she would think it would. If I am a dying Muslim, a dying Parsee, and this crazy Albanian lady [crazy is no insult, that is how a little old Albanianess is going to look] sprinkles water on me muttering in a strange language. How am I affected?

There may well be more. There may be something serious relying on solid evidence.

But - face it - if those add up to evil, my mother [a less forceful but just as hard-headed American of German extraction] was just as evil. A little less famous is all. She, by the way, dfinitely saw her own suffering as a virtue and as not about to get relief when she could despise the doctor.

none of those points has anything to do with this, read the article to the end.(sorry for the short answer, cooking will update as i have waiting time)

the point is she is a human being and she did what she did as much for herself as she did for others, and what she did was greatly exaggerated,
not to mention more than one instance where she had the opertunity to completely shift a dire situation (haiti) but instead you saw them reusing needles in a high risk infection are.
in some regards what they do can only be done because they are not medical professionals, if they were it would have been called gross negligence.

Most figures are over romanticized and dehumanized and the legend becomes different than the real person.

Ghandi overthrew the British, peacefully, couldn't save India of being split because of Islam though. And he was a racist f*ck, just like just about everyone else in that time. He was a non-perfect human politician that was racist, but at least he does have a positive legacy.

For smother Theresa , I guess she will tell you that the end justifies the means. I don't buy it. Calling her a saint is just propaganda.

There is always more, Albert Einstein and Jules Verne, two guys I do admire, they were TERRIBLE fathers. Really, an F for freaking in parenting.

Incidental addendum - As I said, the Catholics and Moravians are not the only ones to value the ascetic [voluntary or involuntary]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan

I guess maybe it's difficult to love 'the world' if you put all your love into your children. Most parents will do anything for their children, but don't really care much about world peace and all that.