Is it right to hate bad people?
Hating bad people is counter productive. Better we should concentrate on deterring their bad actions, or puting them in a place where they can do no further harm. Getting angry is simply a waste of energy. If we are going to dislike anything, then dislike the the evil actions that people do and work on preventing them or discouraging them or protecting innocent people from their effects.
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Lol, right. Taking a bully apart dispassionately is much more efficient than getting too emotionally involved in the process.
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Hating is a huge waste of energy that gives nothing to you in return.
Hate (or rage, or whatever you want to call it) does serve a defensive purpose though. Someone who reacts with violent rage or hate towards bullies is less likely to continue being victimized. Evil people tend to victimize timid people who do not fight back. In most cases simply turning the other cheek simply DOES NOT WORK when dealing with truly despicable human beings.
With bullies, insulting them or telling them you're not afraid of them is just as likely to work as beating them half to death.
That logic fails with trolls though. Tell a troll you're not afraid of them is equivalent of saying, "You have to try harder than that", and they usually oblige lol.
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Lol, right. Taking a bully apart dispassionately is much more efficient than getting too emotionally involved in the process.
Sometimes the circumstances make it such that being emotionally uninvolved simply isn't an option. You either become completely immobilized with fear, or something else causes you to take action. Hate is the better alternative to living in fear.
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Lol, of course given just those two options.
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Depends who you are.
We have explored your view of this at some length, and I know [and have suffered from] certain ones who share that.
But if you are built closer to my style, then either like Copper you go immobile [finding yourself a safe rock to recuperate under] or like me you throttle down [a quiet den helps] and excrete the emotion.
Some of us simply cannot survive heavy emotional expression, either positive or negative.
I did not vote in your poll because I'm not sure what option best applies.
The Bible says to "hate the sin but love the sinner" and that's pretty hard to do because we frequently connect actions and people. If a man murders, why should we not hate him for doing so?
In my personal struggle to do the right thing, here's what I conclude.
Lots of people hurt me. Some of those hurts still burn. However, for most of them, I feel nothing or I've reached a point where I can look at that person and sincerely feel some form of "pity" for them. I don't think I would ever trust them to the point that they could hurt me again, and certainly the choice to forgive does not mandate you open yourself to be hurt. A betrayer must prove he can be trusted once again. Most people who do bad things are sorry people with a lot of personal issues you'd not want to bear yourself.
Now, some people are just plain evil. However, I don't feel "hate" for such. I might conclude they need to be destroyed for the good of humanity, but it's a very unemotional determination...not done out of hate.
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Lol, right. Taking a bully apart dispassionately is much more efficient than getting too emotionally involved in the process.
Sometimes the circumstances make it such that being emotionally uninvolved simply isn't an option. You either become completely immobilized with fear, or something else causes you to take action. Hate is the better alternative to living in fear.
False alternative. One can keep his wits about him.
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The concept of ‘God hating the sin but loving the sinner’ is not found in scripture (the concept is said to originate from a teaching of Mahatma Gandhi. The Bible is full of examples of God’s displeasure towards sin and evildoers.
Psalm 5:5-6 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
Genesis 6:5-7 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Revelations 2:6 “But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.”
The above verse taken from the book of Revelations implies that Jesus hated the deeds (sins) of the Nicolaitans, but the other verses (above) clearly state that God hates the actual ‘workers of iniquity.’ God does not abhor the ‘actions’ of being bloodthirsty or deceitful, but He abhors the ‘man’ who behaves in such a manner.
'Turning the other cheek' is a phrase in scripture that is often taken out of context and misinterpreted as teaching pacifism, which it was not the intent of the verses.
Luke 6:29 Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.
Matthew 5:38-40 “You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.”
A basic element of Christ’s teachings, was that He clarified the scripture, and provided people with a deeper understanding of its meaning. Jesus did not come to change the law, but to clarify it (Matthew 5:17). During the Sermon on the Mount, Christ was not attempting to do away with the concept of justice, but was correcting the people’s behavior and/or interpretation of the ‘eye for an eye’ concept (found in: Exodus 21:24-26, Leviticus 24:16-23, Deuteronomy 19:19-24). In the Torah, the ‘eye for an eye’ concept
was part of what might be considered their version of a criminal justice system, and was not an individual’s right to vigilante justice in civil matters. In the above verses, Christ is speaking about civil lawsuits and people trying to sue each other.
The ‘eye for an eye’ teaching in the Torah had to do with punishing murderers or other criminals for their crimes. Christ was correcting the people's misapplication of the 'eye for an eye' principle -- where people were attempting to apply the criminal justice principles to civil lawsuits.
The Bible instructs Christian to pray for justice.
Psalm 34:16-17 The face of the Lord is against those who do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles.
Psalm 54:5 He will repay my enemies for their evil. Cut them off in Your truth.
1 Peter 3:12 “For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”
Revelations 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You Judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
The Lord hears the cries of the righteous, and will avenge the wrongs done to them. Above are examples (taken from both the Old and the New Testaments of the Bible) of saints crying out to God for justice. The concept of praying to God for the destruction of evildoers may seem radical to people who have been brought up in modern day churches.
Much of what is taught in churches today is one-sided, and concepts of justice and punishment – which are just as prevalent in the Bible as mercy and forgiveness – are often overlooked or glossed over.
Christians are often taught by churches to deny their God given feelings/consciences, and to accept a narrow interpretation of – a few verses in – the scriptures and to forgive unquestionably. It is truly unfortunate that many church leaders force the need to forgive unrepentant evildoers on their congregations, as if it were a Christian principle. Parents who have lost their children to ruthless evildoers should not be pressured into forgiving such people. If you are the victim of robbery, rape, aggravated assault, or if some other
intentional evil has been done to you, you do not have to forgive the evildoer. In fact, it might be more appropriate to pray for the person’s destruction. Forgiveness is not something that should be handed out lightly. Christians should learn discernment between good and evil, and should recognize the need for justice and are instructed in the Bible to cry out to God for it.
Luke 18:1-8 Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart, saying: “There was in a certain city a Judge who did not fear God nor regard man. Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, 'Get justice for me from my adversary.' And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, 'Though I do not fear God nor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.' Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust Judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect
who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?"
In the above parable, Jesus described the woman’s persistence when crying out for justice. Jesus provided this parable to His followers as an EXAMPLE regarding prayer. Do Christians have to forgive every evildoer who sins against them? No! Jesus clearly taught His followers to continually cry out to God – day and night – for vengeance, and promises that although God bears long with them, He will eventually avenge them.
The parable concludes with a question as to whether or not the Son of Man will find faith on the earth when He returns. The point of the parable was for Christ’s followers to trust in God as a god of justice, and not to lose heart in praying for the destruction of the
wicked. The test of faith had to do with whether or not Christ’s followers would lose heart when their prayers are not immediately answered, and it seems as though the evildoers can act without consequence. Jesus instructed Christians to continue praying for
justice until it is obtained. Christians are not to seek their own revenge, but must wait for God to administer justice at the appointed time.
It is okay to hate evildoers? Yes, God clearly does. Should we surrender to evildoers? No, Jesus taught His followers (Luke 22:36) to sell their coats and purchase swords (for self-defense). Should we pray for the forgiveness of evildoers or the salvation of their souls? This is dependant on the extend of the sin, but clearly there are evil deeds that are so heinous that Christians are to pray for their destruction and cry out to God for justice.
Not really sure. With me it's not so much about being right or wrong just not practical. There are so many murderers, child abusers, rapist, war lords, corrupt cops and telemarketers. I just don't have the energy to hate them all. I do think it is self destructive to hate anyone. It is more productive to live a good life and help where you can.
Lol, of course given just those two options.
Whether there is a third option depends on the person and the degree of harm inflicted.
ruveyn
Lol, right. Taking a bully apart dispassionately is much more efficient than getting too emotionally involved in the process.
Sometimes the circumstances make it such that being emotionally uninvolved simply isn't an option. You either become completely immobilized with fear, or something else causes you to take action. Hate is the better alternative to living in fear.
False alternative. One can keep his wits about him.
ruveyn
You have no clue. You're one of those people who don't even realize when they are acting on hate and not "keeping their wits". This is judging from your support of committing genocide against Muslims.
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