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03 Aug 2011, 3:31 pm

The world is not black & white, nor is it left & right. North Korea is statist.

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03 Aug 2011, 3:58 pm

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Under totalitarianism, there is only one wing.


The sound of one wing flapping.



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03 Aug 2011, 6:52 pm

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Some people think that North Korea is a Marxist dictatorship. Originally North Korea mentioned Karl Marx in it's constitution but it now has no mention of Karl Marx or Marxism in its constitution. If your country has no mention of Karl Marx or Marxism in its constitution then it isn't Marxist says I.

Some people think that North Korea is left-wing but North Korea promotes racism and tells its citizens to prepare for war. If your country is racist and obsessed with war then it isn't left-wing says I.

http://www.slate.com/id/2243112/

Also, North Koreans have something better than Chuck Norris facts - Kim Jong Il facts.
http://listverse.com/2010/05/30/top-10-crazy-facts-about-kim-jong-il/


There's the left and there is the left.

What exactly is anti-racist and anti-war in which you call the left? Are you assuming that liberal is synonymous of "left" ?


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04 Aug 2011, 12:20 am

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Absolute rubbish.

Tell me, how much scope is there for private enterprise in North Korea? Or personal or political freedom?

By your definition, the likes of Zanu-PF aren't left-wing then?


What is rubbish is the notion that regimes can be readily classified into a simplified spectrum of left-right.

Personal and political freedom are liberal ideologies. The notions that gave rise to the US Declaration of Independence and the Déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen are rooted in classical liberalism, and the left wing of the political spectrum of the time.

The truth is that political structures are measured on a wide range of scales, and the old "left-right" paradigm is obsolete.


Progressives are only into people's rights when it helps them get more power.

North Korea is very much the result of tyranny of the left, I can't help the fact you can't understand the facts.



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04 Aug 2011, 1:21 am

The DPRK has at its ideological centre a philosophy of Juche. After the collapse of communism, when NK noticed (around 1998), they dropped all references to Marxist-Leninism within their constitution. Several thinkers have attempted to characterize NK as a national-socialist state or as a monarchy. Juche is often equated with Stalinism. It is a flexible ideology but for the most part is seen as an individual expression of Marxist-Leninism.

It is worth cautioning people into thinking that Juche is something new and different from other Stalinist States. A large scale attempt by the party faithful within the DPRK has gone to great lengths to make Juche appear this way within their official documents. Almost all references to Stalin, Mao and Marx are gone, in the hope that this will somehow make Kim Il-sung look more original. If however, you classify Stalinst Russia and Maoist China as left wing, then it mostly follows that the DPRK is left wing; as they pretty much stole, most if not all of their bad ideas from them.


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05 Aug 2011, 2:17 am

Is North Korea a leftist dictatorship? I believe so. But to say that it's somehow representative of the left is ludicrous, just as it's nuts to say that the Nazis were representative of the right in most cases.

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05 Aug 2011, 7:54 am

BUT THE NAZIS WHERE THE BAD GUYS IN MOVIES AND THUS ARE OBVIOUSLY LEFTIST AND ATHEIST!


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05 Aug 2011, 8:09 am

The Left in America are considered very liberal.
North Korea is not a liberal state.
North Korea is not Leftist?



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05 Aug 2011, 2:15 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
The Left in America are considered very liberal.
North Korea is not a liberal state.
North Korea is not Leftist?



The only people who think the American Left is Very Liberal are the American Right.



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05 Aug 2011, 7:50 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
The Left in America are considered very liberal.
North Korea is not a liberal state.
North Korea is not Leftist?



The only people who think the American Left is Very Liberal are the American Right.


Well considering it seems like the left in the US wants to do away with the rights of people that disagree with them, I think comparing them to a dictatorship makes perfect sense.



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05 Aug 2011, 8:10 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
The Left in America are considered very liberal.
North Korea is not a liberal state.
North Korea is not Leftist?



The only people who think the American Left is Very Liberal are the American Right.


Well considering it seems like the left in the US wants to do away with the rights of people that disagree with them, I think comparing them to a dictatorship makes perfect sense.


Really? I'd like to see some examples before I believe something like that. And before you mention how liberals are critical of Glenn Beck and Fox news, voicing disagreement is hardly opposing someone's right to speak. And might I bring up that the author of Doonesbury, Gary Truedeu, was constantly barraged by angry conservatives who thought he ought to be thrown into jail for making fun of Reagan.

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05 Aug 2011, 8:12 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
The Left in America are considered very liberal.
North Korea is not a liberal state.
North Korea is not Leftist?



The only people who think the American Left is Very Liberal are the American Right.


Well considering it seems like the left in the US wants to do away with the rights of people that disagree with them, I think comparing them to a dictatorship makes perfect sense.


Really? I'd like to see some examples before I believe something like that. And before you mention how liberals are critical of Glenn Beck and Fox news, voicing disagreement is hardly opposing someone's right to speak. And might I bring up that the author of Doonesbury, Gary Truedeu, was constantly barraged by angry conservatives who thought he ought to be thrown into jail for making fun of Reagan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sure, how far up the ladder would you like, cause we can start with the Vice President of the United States equating tea party members to terrorists...



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05 Aug 2011, 8:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Really? I'd like to see some examples before I believe something like that. And before you mention how liberals are critical of Glenn Beck and Fox news, voicing disagreement is hardly opposing someone's right to speak. And might I bring up that the author of Doonesbury, Gary Truedeu, was constantly barraged by angry conservatives who thought he ought to be thrown into jail for making fun of Reagan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I've seen closer attempts at silencing others from the religious right in the US.

However, the real winners in regards to censorship in the US are the copyright cartels. They are just about to make internet censorship the rule.


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05 Aug 2011, 8:27 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
The Left in America are considered very liberal.
North Korea is not a liberal state.
North Korea is not Leftist?



The only people who think the American Left is Very Liberal are the American Right.


Well considering it seems like the left in the US wants to do away with the rights of people that disagree with them, I think comparing them to a dictatorship makes perfect sense.


Really? I'd like to see some examples before I believe something like that. And before you mention how liberals are critical of Glenn Beck and Fox news, voicing disagreement is hardly opposing someone's right to speak. And might I bring up that the author of Doonesbury, Gary Truedeu, was constantly barraged by angry conservatives who thought he ought to be thrown into jail for making fun of Reagan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sure, how far up the ladder would you like, cause we can start with the Vice President of the United States equating tea party members to terrorists...


No, Biden was only repeating what members of congress had said about the tea baggers elected to congress who had been terrorizing their body. Again, this is only criticism. What of those tea baggers who call the president of the United States Hitler, an illegal immigrant, or make veiled racist references toward him? You could just as easily say this is an attempt to curtail Obama's free speech. Or the whacked out fundie scheduled to speak at Rick Perry's prayer gathering this Saturday, who claimed the Democratic party is a net work of evil. I fail to see a difference. So, if you want to accuse Liberals of cracking down on free speech, you also have to concede that Republicans are doing the exact same thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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06 Aug 2011, 11:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
The Left in America are considered very liberal.
North Korea is not a liberal state.
North Korea is not Leftist?



The only people who think the American Left is Very Liberal are the American Right.


Well considering it seems like the left in the US wants to do away with the rights of people that disagree with them, I think comparing them to a dictatorship makes perfect sense.


Really? I'd like to see some examples before I believe something like that. And before you mention how liberals are critical of Glenn Beck and Fox news, voicing disagreement is hardly opposing someone's right to speak. And might I bring up that the author of Doonesbury, Gary Truedeu, was constantly barraged by angry conservatives who thought he ought to be thrown into jail for making fun of Reagan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sure, how far up the ladder would you like, cause we can start with the Vice President of the United States equating tea party members to terrorists...


No, Biden was only repeating what members of congress had said about the tea baggers elected to congress who had been terrorizing their body. Again, this is only criticism. What of those tea baggers who call the president of the United States Hitler, an illegal immigrant, or make veiled racist references toward him? You could just as easily say this is an attempt to curtail Obama's free speech. Or the whacked out fundie scheduled to speak at Rick Perry's prayer gathering this Saturday, who claimed the Democratic party is a net work of evil. I fail to see a difference. So, if you want to accuse Liberals of cracking down on free speech, you also have to concede that Republicans are doing the exact same thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


:roll:

I thought people were supposed to tone down the rhetoric following the Tuscon shootings, guess that message was meant only towards Republicans and Conservatives... :roll:



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06 Aug 2011, 12:50 pm

Maybe liberals and Democrats will when Republicans and conservatives do.

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