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12 Aug 2011, 10:00 pm

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Conservatives do seem to be greatly outnumbered here. I wonder if there have been any studies showing the political leanings of various disorders.


There have been polls in the past here, but they are quite probably buried within the depths of PPR.



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12 Aug 2011, 10:00 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I don't understand how your objection is meaningful.


Do you think the OP and their soon to be cropping up new member allies actually intended to ask a serious question? Remember what happened back in February this year? I think it's more of the same blasted thing attempting to start up yet again. Perhaps not by the same people, but the method seems to be cloned.

Well.... I don't know. I think the objection is bad, but that doesn't mean that there is a poor intention, and without feedback, it is hard to tell. I mean, Poe's law basically applies to any extremism.



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12 Aug 2011, 10:01 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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I don't understand how your objection is meaningful.


Do you think the OP and their soon to be cropping up new member allies actually intended to ask a serious question? Remember what happened back in February this year? I think it's more of the same blasted thing attempting to start up yet again. Perhaps not by the same people, but the method seems to be cloned.

Well.... I don't know. I think the objection is bad, but that doesn't mean that there is a poor intention, and without feedback, it is hard to tell. I mean, Poe's law basically applies to any extremism.


What is Poe's law?

Edit: found it: "It is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism without indication by the author."

Perhaps, but I say that the probability decreases for seriousness with increasing extremism.



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12 Aug 2011, 10:28 pm

I wasn't flame baiting. I'm not a troll. Sorry if it came off that way. I was asking a serious question. However it seems that there is very little interest in actually discussing it...



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12 Aug 2011, 10:34 pm

I am an economic conservative. I will fight the people who feel entitled to my money with an iron rod. Companies should not be forced into sudden environmental policies that will make them loose profits (instead, tax cuts for those who decide to comply).

I don't vote as Republican because the current Republican party scares me. The party seems primarily catered to a subset of America that seems more interested in establishing their own Christian dystopia than upholding the constitution and passing legislation to deal with the most critical issues.

If the Republican party as a whole would keep their hands off my right to marry my love, would respect the 1st amendment more than their religion, and didn't have people like Palin and Bachman seriously running I would vote for them in a heartbeat.

It's when they decide to be conservative with social issues that I revolt.



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12 Aug 2011, 10:42 pm

I'm an economic and social conservative, I have a sense of right and wrong, and don't buy into moral relativism.



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12 Aug 2011, 10:43 pm

Andoryuu wrote:
I wasn't flame baiting. I'm not a troll. Sorry if it came off that way. I was asking a serious question. However it seems that there is very little interest in actually discussing it...


So, this is serious:

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Seriously. I have trouble just thinking about why anyone would want to be a conservative, but AS people should know what it's like to not be part of the majority and to need healthcare, etc. Why would they belong to a group that is so focused on building a world of just rich, white, heterosexual men with nothing different about them and no illnesses?


So, you seriously believe that conservatives are focused upon building a world composed entirely of identical rich white guys?



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12 Aug 2011, 11:00 pm

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@marshall: ruveyn's characterization of liberals is less over-the-top than the OP's.

The OP may genuinely beleive the stereotype presented which you happen to find offensive. Ruveyn is deliberately calling liberals insulting names.



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12 Aug 2011, 11:14 pm

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How can anyone with AS be a conservative?

By not identifying myself as a victim in need of entitlements from a liberal and socialist society.

Instead, I identify myself as a person with a few burdens that I can carry and manage all by myself.

The former is helplessness personified, while the latter is the personification of self-sufficiency.

How can anybody that has earned their own way in life with little or no outside help ever consider themselves a liberal? Maybe if I had received the help that I needed when I needed it, I might have come to believe that liberalism has value. Instead, I learned the the most effective helping hands are attached to my own two wrists.

But I'm too white, too male, and lacking too many of the qualities that liberals find deserving of support - qualities such as mental deficiency or retardation, emotional instability, alcohol or drug addiction, a prison record, et cetera - to qualify for liberal-sponsored entitlements.



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12 Aug 2011, 11:17 pm

marshall wrote:
... Ruveyn is deliberately calling liberals insulting names.

What other treatment have liberals earned for themselves than scorn and contempt from those of us whom they've never helped?



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12 Aug 2011, 11:18 pm

Fnord wrote:
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How can anyone with AS be a conservative?

By not identifying myself as a victim in need of entitlements from a liberal and socialist society.

Instead, I identify myself as a person with a few burdens that I can carry and manage all by myself.

The former is helplessness personified, while the latter is the personification of self-sufficiency.

How can anybody that has earned their own way in life with little or no outside help ever consider themselves a liberal? Maybe if I had received the help that I needed when I needed it, I might have come to believe that liberalism has value. Instead, I learned the the most effective helping hands are attached to my own two wrists.

But I'm too white, too male, and lacking too many of the qualities that liberals find deserving of support - qualities such as mental deficiency or retardation, emotional instability, alcohol or drug addiction, a prison record, et cetera - to qualify for liberal-sponsored entitlements.


Agreed, I am a Conservative because I believe in personal responsibility not a nanny state.



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12 Aug 2011, 11:24 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Perhaps, but I say that the probability decreases for seriousness with increasing extremism.

The problem is that someone who is really that mindblind is not unbelievable for this forum. Some people think aspies are gods of logic who agree with their personal opinions on everything, or are somehow strange anomalies. While this is rare, it happens enough that I can't rule out the possiblity.



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12 Aug 2011, 11:26 pm

Andoryuu wrote:
I wasn't flame baiting. I'm not a troll. Sorry if it came off that way. I was asking a serious question. However it seems that there is very little interest in actually discussing it...

Well, a lot of us think that the answer "Yes, an aspie can be a conservative" is just obvious. I mean, nothing prevents a person with AS from having any political view, even pro-NT eugenics views are compatible with being AS. (In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if an aspie would be more inclined that direction than an NT)



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12 Aug 2011, 11:27 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Perhaps, but I say that the probability decreases for seriousness with increasing extremism.

The problem is that someone who is really that mindblind is not unbelievable for this forum. Some people think aspies are gods of logic who agree with their personal opinions on everything, or are somehow strange anomalies. While this is rare, it happens enough that I can't rule out the possiblity.

This is not as rare as you might think. I have even seen you indulging in such assumptions before.


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12 Aug 2011, 11:28 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Andoryuu wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative?

By not identifying myself as a victim in need of entitlements from a liberal and socialist society.

Instead, I identify myself as a person with a few burdens that I can carry and manage all by myself.

The former is helplessness personified, while the latter is the personification of self-sufficiency.

How can anybody that has earned their own way in life with little or no outside help ever consider themselves a liberal? Maybe if I had received the help that I needed when I needed it, I might have come to believe that liberalism has value. Instead, I learned the the most effective helping hands are attached to my own two wrists.

But I'm too white, too male, and lacking too many of the qualities that liberals find deserving of support - qualities such as mental deficiency or retardation, emotional instability, alcohol or drug addiction, a prison record, et cetera - to qualify for liberal-sponsored entitlements.


Agreed, I am a Conservative because I believe in personal responsibility not a nanny state.


Nanny states, for as good as they try to advertise themselves to their supporters, tend to desire to coddle more and more once their coddling has begun. In their state of nanny-hood, they have more power and control than they would if not treating their citizens as infants who can't take care of themselves, and the politicians over them would seem to have no objection to the state of nanny-hood ever leaving.



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12 Aug 2011, 11:29 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Perhaps, but I say that the probability decreases for seriousness with increasing extremism.

The problem is that someone who is really that mindblind is not unbelievable for this forum. Some people think aspies are gods of logic who agree with their personal opinions on everything, or are somehow strange anomalies. While this is rare, it happens enough that I can't rule out the possiblity.


I suppose.