Gun "control" - to protect or disarm the citizens?

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Quatermass,

As I posted elsewhere on this site, here's a little though experiment:

Kick in the doors of a thousand homes in the UK, & haul off a random family member for thought crimes.

Do the same in Texas.

An armed populace is a fail-safe, a doomsday reset. During the 20th Century low end estimates say that approximately one hundred million (100,000,000) unarmed people were murdered by governments run by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Papa & Baby Doc, and the Kim's in North Korea. Not gonna happen here.
You ask how we would fair against the US Military. Consider: A rather sizable proportion of gun owners in the US are veterans of those armed forces, and even life-long civilians have been known to possess remarkable marksmanship skills. I have friends who compete in 1,000 meter target matches. Now, look at the difficulties we've had in Iraq with folks who's training mostly consists of blazing away on full auto at a target less than 20 meters away and who seem to think that taking on a main battle tank with just a pickup with a .50 HMG in the bed is a sound tactical idea. It wouldn't be stand up combat, but rather a case of, to quote Admiral Yamamoto's description of an invaded US, "A rifleman behind every blade of grass".

In short, we as a society are willing to suffer the rare Columbine so we never have a Dachau.

Cybrludite, I think I kind of love you!

I'm pretty sure that many Southeners consider(ed?) "honest Abe" being a tyrant...



For a law abiding citizen, a gun has the purpose to maim and kill just criminals and tyrants, in self defence or defence of freedom. Do you see anything wrong with that?

And the criminals can still get as many and dangerous weapons as they want. In a small neighbour commune of mine (15000 inhabitants) the cops found hand grenades and machine guns in a culvert near a play ground. Do you think any law abiding citizen put them there?



Our prime minister was shot to death on February 28 1986 with a .357 Magnum, despite our harsh gun laws. Our foreign minister was stabbed on September 10 2003. Maybe we should outlaw knives for law abiding citizens as well?

It costs me $.03 to load 9mm or .45 rounds. Jacking up the price of ammo won't affrect me.

The reason why your argument fails, is that even if you outlawed guns, people who do not understand how to use a gun, or rather understand the consequences of it's usage, can STILL obtain them. Outlawing guns in the U.S. will have no effect on the availability because we can't controll our border with MEXICO!! Guns would pour acrosss the border just like drugs do.

It's just like a brick wall here. If I was any more immature/insane/stupid, I'd go Don Quixote on yer asses.

If I do so, it's probably because of a small vestige of immaturity. And a huge helping of tenacity.

Don't go Don Quixote on us....... JOIN THE DARK SIDE QUARTERMASS!! !! ! Bruuwuuhaaa haaa bruuwuuhaaahahaha!! !

YES!! ! Go out and buy a gun and love it!! !!

Yeah an anti-tank missle launcher would be nice for kangerroo hunting down under.

That would be a bit of the ol' overkill.

I dunnow, I've heard some of those kangerroo's can get pretty big!!

Scraphead, the National Guard is a government ran and government operated militia. The citizen militia that is currently demonized is our constitutional militia, it is made up of every day civilians much like you and me. It does not operate under the authority of any federal or state government. Perhaps one of the most famous ones was the Michigan Militia, but then again do bare in mind that The official command of the MM never knew anything about Timothy McVeigh or his terror scheme, they were rogue operatives that broke from the MM high command without their knowledge of approval. Similar to how eric rudolph was an army ranger, but the US army had nothing to do with or did not know about his plans to bomb the abortion clinic.

The Citizen militia is designed to be completely reactionary, not proactionary. Meaning they'll only move into battle in self defense scenarios.

Here is an article on current weapons technology. Some people think that consumer technology lags 10-20 yrs behind the "establishment".

Great post, Cybrludite. I agree.

Hey there snakey.... I was refering to legal precedent handed down by the supreme court which stated that the second amendment contains 2 different legal concepts. The first, gives states the athority to establish state militias. (Our standing army is unconstitutional BTW) the second half facilitates the first by giving the PEOPLE the right to keep and bear arms.

One of the first things the Nazis did was to take away private citizens' firearms.