The Sad Truth About Racists

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I know I've changed up my usage quite a bit, using "bigot" to describe someone who dislikes another group based on generalities, and reserving "racist" for people who genuinely believe in racial superiority of one type or another. Racist does get over-used in the political arena, I've long since lumped it in with "terrorist" and "socialist" as terms that are virtually meaningless when used pejoratively in the media. Using racial slurs for example does not automatically make one a racist, merely coarse or insensitive.

yea I actually don't mind being called one anymore because the term has been rendered meaningless for some time by the way it is applied to non-racists. I guess only a white supremacist could hold certain conservative views( like... wanting to close the border to limit the flow of illegals from down south) so I've been mistaken for a white who thought supremely of other whites despite being a polynesian from polynesia.

in the real world I've found this to be the case far too often.

I think the US model works best. We grant more legal citizenships then any other country in the world and more then the next 6 countries behind us combined. Though we have cut back a little on our H1b visas, we also take in more high-skill labor then any other country in the world and that has helped power our economic and intellectual hubs and making the best in the world. These immigrants have a fast-track to upward mobility and enter the middle class immediately.

It is not an issue for Canada, a country with the population of California, since you are a predominantly white country with such a small group of non-whites. That takes no effort. America is of the most ethnically diversely populated westernized country and in here it was a challenge, and I think with what we've gone through, we've made it out okay though there is still the issue with mexican immigrants, amnesty, and closing the border to mexico.

I cannot but think we weould be well advised do dump all of the "bigoted" labels like bigot, racist, sexist, the abominable "homophobe" and the like, and go straight to recognition of the primary Green monkey phenomenon of which they are all specific cases.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/001 ... king-class

is this a realistic view on the working class in the UK?

How does race relate? America's large draw is economics or as Jeffery Kaye put it, coyote capitalism:

http://www.amazon.com/Moving-Millions-C ... 047042334X

but it seems that the large draw in Europe is benefits and welfare.

Are you saying that border security is racist or that liberals try to associate it with other racist agendas?

Im saying that the one trying to secure our borders is assumed to be racist, largely by those left of center or the people who've been sold the lie by the left. The race card will be used to emotionally disqualify everything the RIght tries to work for or against be it healthcare or the size of government.

A big part of how one becomes a racist is the simple fact that some people are raised with such ugly thoughts and opinions, but otherwise may come across as a smart, kind person. A perfect example of this, I think, was American horror author and fellow Aspie, H.P. Lovecraft. Because of the environment in which he was raised, he embraced the notion that not only were Caucasians superior to non-Caucasians, but that non-Anglo-Saxons such as Slavs, Jews, and Mediterraneans were inferior to Anglo-Saxons and Teutons. So much so, he actually embraced the idiocy of eugenics for a time. Still, people who knew him had always regarded him highly intelligent and gentlemanly, it not more than a little odd. One friend even recalled him as being "good as gold." It was perhaps because he was so intellectually gifted, and good hearted, that he was able to eventually overcome his prejudices and grow as a human being. He even married a Jewish lady, and counted Jews among his close friends, such as fellow author, Robert Bloch, who gave the world Psycho.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

What is race?

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I've never liked the sort of internet debate fallacy of disqualifying someone from consideration based on a single belief. It's the "that guy believes X, therefore I don't have to address his argument about Y" argument, used often against people like creationists and such. There's a long history of otherwise intelligent people having a few oddball beliefs, I know the ranks of eugenics supporters included Teddy Roosevelt among many others, and one half of the Nobel Prize team that discovered DNA keeps bringing up sketchy ideas about racial superiority (Watts? Can't remember ATM). My point is that it's fallacious to write someone off as unintelligent because of a single belief, or even a handful of them in the case of some religious people. Now a general pattern is something else entirely, but I've met enough smart people with seemingly dumb beliefs to not underestimate people based solely on them.

Gee, thanks. Have anything else to happily share? Huh?

Never mind that racisms ARE countable.

The question I see here [recognizing that this is not yhour work] - how often does racism assume and asset the superiority of THIS group, as opposed to assuming and asserting the INFERIORITY of THAT group?

Most of the clear racists I have met [a group far too large for my taste, though small as numbers go] assert the INFERIOTITY od specific groups.

I'm a lefty Brit and I can confirm that it is, Tequilla's comment are pretty accurate when it comes to recent British politics.

The labour party opened the floodgates to immigration in order to and I quote verbatim:

'Rub the right's nose in diversity' according to Tony Blair.

The official policy for the last 14 years has been to scream to racist at anyone who even mentions the word immigration, they were determined to have their way and refused to even consider any evidence to contrary.

Tequilla's comments about muslims is also a reflection of just how badly the doctrine of multiculturalism has broken down across western Europe, PEW global which does regular research on social trends and opinions did a couple of surveys on attitudes of muslims.

Muslims in Britain are twice as likely as muslims in Pakistan to think killing civilians in the name Islam is acceptable.


The whole multicultural thing in Europe over the last couple of decades was basically an attempt to remodel Europe into being more American like. The American way works because you guys are incredibly nationalistic (it doesn't matter if you are black, white, Irish, latino or Chinese, you are an American, I am not equating a belief in American exceptionalism with racism when I say nationalistic btw)

In Europe it is completely impossible for us to be nationalistic because we have literally thousands of years of national histories where all we were doing was invading and slaughtering each other. If you take a detailed look at European history before WWII it really is that bad, at no point is all of Europe ever at peace, why do you think the ancient Greeks had to outlaw war while the Olympics were held?

What we have ended up with is not a united Europe but a disgruntled and annoyed Europe where dozens of different minority groups live completely unintegrated in ghetto's and are filled with contempt and hatred for the country they live in.

What? A well read educated person with neopagan leanings can be racist? How shocking!

Ever heard of Hitler?

But ofcourse ALL American Southern Baptists are redneck racists! Just look at that famous Baptist minister from Georgia- whatshisname- Martin Luther King Jr..

Actually- I get what you're saying. But its a rather klutzy way of saying it.

Amen

It is the frustration that I hold myself over advocates of High Speed Rail and Universal Health Care. It can work, but make it work within the current parameters, change the current parameters to acommodate for it, or don't import that idea at all. High Speed Rail works better in Japan and Universal Health Care works better in France because there are a certain set of conditions that allow for its efficiency, cost-effectiveness, and financing.

One Reason Why It Works
The American system works because Americanism is an idea, and because it is believed, it still exists. Not speaking citizenry as that requires birth on American soil, but it is almost a border-less term as anyone can be an American in belief, no matter what country you live in, if you adhere to those values. You come to America to be American, and Americanism has a set of values that you must adopt first that makes this all work. You must respect "In God We Trust" (which in the present context is not exactly an affirmation to the existence of a divinity, but that you acknowledge that many of our principles were biblically sourced), "From Many, One" that no matter where come from on this earth, we put aside our cultural differences if it clashes with this Americanism(the Melting Pot, if you will), and, Liberty, the freedom to pursuit your dreams, including economic freedom, and live your life as you see fit(within legal and moral means).

Nationalism
It is hard for Europe to be nationalistic just as it is hard for the the American Liberal to put up an American flag on the forth of July. They equate symbols of nationalism with the ugly history of fascism. But it seems everyone is American at least once every 2 years in flag waving if your party overtakes congress or the presidency. You must find a way to demand that all outsiders who move into Europe must accept our western values of tolerance, equality, freedom, and liberty(within a socialist context). NO EXCEPTIONS! It took a long time to build these social institutions up and generations of inculcating these values, it on its own cannot go on autopilot and requires constant affirmation and reminding with every generation and all new newcomers or else we loose what we've worked to build up and revert to moral primitivism.

One Way It Can Work In Europe
I think one such model that might be exportable to Europe is the Singapore experiment. The general idea was to not allow more then a fourth of one ethnic group to live on each block, so you have Malayan, Chinese, Indian, and another group all living on each block and are forced to interact with one another. It makes sense for newcomers to want to live amongst their own, they share a shared history or story, speak the same language, etc. But it is not good for them to congregate exclusively amongst themselves as all they will do is harbor misconceptions about the outsider and construct self-imposed ghettos.