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12 Sep 2011, 1:38 am

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What is the meaning of a pebble? What reason for a grain of sand?

These things simply are, and have no meaning or purpose behind them.


The purpose an reason behind a pebble or a grain of sand is for you to ask yourself what their purpose is to debate ect



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12 Sep 2011, 4:33 pm

Joker wrote:
Fnord wrote:
What is the meaning of a pebble? What reason for a grain of sand? These things simply are, and have no meaning or purpose behind them.
The purpose an reason behind a pebble or a grain of sand is for you to ask yourself what their purpose is to debate ect

Naw, that's the platypus ... pebbles and grains of sand are more suited to metaphor...

"I was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." -- Sir Isaac Newton

"Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives." -- Ed Prentiss


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12 Sep 2011, 4:50 pm

Fnord wrote:
Joker wrote:
Fnord wrote:
What is the meaning of a pebble? What reason for a grain of sand? These things simply are, and have no meaning or purpose behind them.
The purpose an reason behind a pebble or a grain of sand is for you to ask yourself what their purpose is to debate ect

Naw, that's the platypus ... pebbles and grains of sand are more suited to metaphor...

"I was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." -- Sir Isaac Newton

"Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives." -- Ed Prentiss


Correct I like your way of thinking



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13 Sep 2011, 4:04 pm

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Do you have a black&white logical straight line thinking mind that depends heavily on concrete and observable evidence or do you have a hyper associational mind that is constantly running from one thing that is somehow connected to the next to the next thing, and somehow connected to the next thing, and they arrive at a conclusion that is totally incompatible with the past conclusions they drew, but there's somehow a connection between it and the previous conclusions. The psychotic mind and the asperger mind are at polar ends but both suffer from "the inability to adjust their behavior or their perception to deal appropriately with interacting variables."

http://www.caetextia.com/pages/defaultnetwork.html


now that's really interesting. i have both of those things. i would like to be told about myself, have neurological or some kind of testing, i'd been trying to figure myself out. sometimes i think i should just quit and just be who i am (and quit trying to be "normal" or like everyone else). i've thought i have aspergers, it does help me to read about it. i have a therapist who works with people who have it who laughs at me for thinking i do, and told the black and white thinking is because of codependency and dysfunctional environment i grew up in. i don't appreciate being laughed at. what i experience inside isn't apparent outside.

anyway, that link you posted was really interesting, context blindedness (like mind-blindedness, etc)....all sorts of theories that maybe relate to the same thing, a larger-picture item (like aspergers, or a "neurological" condition). i have always had an issue with context, never had it before (stuck in the details), and when i discovered context, it was great, to see the larger perspective and how some things interact together. i began to try to setup some kind of context system/framework for me to use, to keep things in perspective, to see the larger picture. i started thinking from the top down, to always see the larger picture, because i need it. i have to TRY to keep it, so it's like once i am in the larger picture place, i don't want to let go of it, i DO have trouble transitioning between the two. so i'm either spacey and abstract, or in the details and logical/analytical. something like that.



yes it is fascinating, I always fail to see or mimic is the context by which other people are operating or speaking in. And like you, organizing my life puts things into perspective and allows my brain some space and breathing room. I guess that's why I've always loved clarity and perspective. I guess also that's why I love blueprints so much, and I guess that's why I'm constantly blueprinting my life. I always need something like this:

Image

or like this

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...to make sense of things and see the relationships between things, or more accurately, context between or of what I'm trying to envision.


I am actually the opposite in a way because I cannot stand the details when people get bogged down in it at the expense of the larger picture. I don't meddling in the mechanics if it adds to the larger picture but cannot stand it when others only see the details and not see the end or vision we're working towards, or its proportion/relation to it. A finished I-cal of all the things I plan to do that week or day, or a final blueprint or finalized drawing is what I'm talking about.


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