Evangelicals Left Off National Cathedral 9/11 Program

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08 Sep 2011, 1:21 pm

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Except for their seeming pathological hatred toward religious people and/or their arrogant belief that they are somehow superior intellectually to religious people.


The hostility is directed toward religious institutions (every last one of them man-made by the way) rather than toward the belief in your god, per se. The Christian church (in its many varieties) and Islam have in the name of their gods done many evil things. There are some notable exceptions: the Unitarians and the Amish. They don't bother anyone and I know of know atheistic hostility toward these folks.

In balance Christianity (as an institution) and Islam (as an institution) have been negative factors in the lives of people. As mere belief practiced privately and quietly I know of little or no atheistic objections. What you Gentiles do in your closets is of no interest to me.

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08 Sep 2011, 6:25 pm

All I have to say is: ABOUT GODDAMN TIME!
Ever since Reagan's presidency, evangelicals have been allowed to hog the spotlight, at the expense of every other faith. All of a sudden, the fringe elements of Protestantism have been given much more political influence than their numbers imply, while Mainline denominations, who have represented traditional values and doctrines, are constantly cast in the light of having seen better days, and are on the road to obscurity. It does seem like that - - only because evangelicals have been shown favoritism!
And I totally agree - evangelicals hardly represent the values of tolerance and mutual respect that should be shown at the remembrance of the 9/11 tragedy.

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08 Sep 2011, 8:08 pm

thread moved from News and Current Events to Politics, Philosophy, and Religion as it ticks off a few of those boxes


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08 Sep 2011, 8:23 pm

Ten years ago the Religious Right were inciting war as revenge for the 911 attacks.



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08 Sep 2011, 9:02 pm

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A weekend of religious-themed observances at Washington National Cathedral marking the tenth anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks will include a Buddhist nun and an Imam, but not an evangelical Christian, leading the head of the Southern Baptist Convention to ask President Obama to reconsider attending the event.

“A Call to Compassion” will include an interfaith prayer vigil on Sept. 11. It will feature the dean of the Cathedral, the Bishop of Washington, a rabbi, Buddhist nun and incarnate lama, a Hindu priest, the president of the Islamic Society of North America and a Muslim musician.

However, Southern Baptists, representing the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, were not invited to participate – and neither were leaders from any evangelical Christian organization.

“It’s not surprising,” said Frank Page, president of the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee. “There is a tragic intolerance toward Protestants and particularly toward evangelicals and I wish the president would refuse to speak unless it was more representative.”

Richard Weinberg, the Cathedral’s director of communications, confirmed that Southern Baptists were not extended an invitation to participate.

“The goal was to have interfaith representation,” he told Fox News Radio. “The Cathedral itself is an Episcopal church and it stands to reason that our own clergy serve as Christian representatives.”

He said the Washington National Cathedral serves as the “spiritual home for the nation” and as such, he said that “diversity was first and foremost” a factor in the planning.

“We certainly aim to appeal to as many in the country as possible and feel that our events are not any one slice that could ever represent the entire country -- but that we are doing our best commemorate the events as it fits with our mission,” Weinberg said.

On Sunday night the Cathedral will host President Obama as he delivers remarks in a program called, “A Concert of Hope.” At least five faith leaders will deliver prayers but those individuals have not been identified.

Weinberg said the president’s event will be a “secular service,” but said given the setting it will include an interfaith benediction.

Page said President Obama should cancel his appearance at the Cathedral.

“I think it would send a very strong and very positive signal to the left wing extremists in our country that the president ought not show up,” Page said, calling their exclusion “purposeful.”
The White House referred questions about the services to the Cathedral.

“First and foremost, the breadth of the programming aims to honor those who were most affected by the tragedy of 9/11,” Weinberg said. “We also recognize as a Cathedral that this country has been engaged in two wars abroad and many, many service members, nearly six thousand, and of course that would count much more if we counted civilian lives lost.”

“They are also a group that we want to keep in mind and lift up,” he said.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told Fox News Radio the lineup was better suited for the United Nations than the United States.

“Three quarters of the American people identify as Christian and nearly a third of them are evangelical Christian,” Perkins said. “And yet, there is not a single evangelical on the program.”

“There’s no doubt that this is clearly politically correct,” Perkins told Fox News Radio. “It is historically inaccurate that in times of need or mourning that Americans pray to the Hindu or Buddhist Gods or the God of Islam. America is overtly a Christian nation that prays to the Judeo-Christian God – and specifically to Jesus Christ.”

Page called political correctness the “elephant in the room.”

“It is very clear that it is that it is not politically correct to include evangelical Christians,” he said.

“Obviously, tolerance is at work here. In a nation whose current God is tolerance, it is absolutely hypocritical that the major group to be excluded and be intolerant of – is evangelical Christians.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/06/ev ... z1XESG2tWY


For one thing, Fox News is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a credible news source. The Family Research Council is a hate group.

Evangelical Christians are just playing the victim card once again.

And, Mr. Browning is just out trolling again, with garbage cited from Fox News.



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08 Sep 2011, 9:26 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Ten years ago the Religious Right were inciting war as revenge for the 911 attacks.

Heh, the religious right hardly had a monopoly on that if you recall. Were you an adult when 9/11 happened?

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For one thing, Fox News is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a credible news source. The Family Research Council is a hate group.

Evangelical Christians are just playing the victim card once again.

And, Mr. Browning is just out trolling again, with garbage cited from Fox News.

You recently admitted you don't watch much TV and don't see fox news and haven't done much research on it yourself, the article is hardly a fox news exclusive, the southern poverty law center has no authority to throw any legal weight whatsoever behind it's "hate" labels, and lumping the family research council with neo-nazis is more of a red herring (bordering on slander) than a little exaggeration.


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09 Sep 2011, 8:14 am

John_Browning wrote:
You recently admitted you don't watch much TV and don't see fox news and haven't done much research on it yourself, the article is hardly a fox news exclusive, the southern poverty law center has no authority to throw any legal weight whatsoever behind it's "hate" labels, and lumping the family research council with neo-nazis is more of a red herring (bordering on slander) than a little exaggeration.


Fox News is garbage, pure and simple. Only an idiot would pay any attention to it.

The Family Research Center is a hate group, and they make no bones about it.

Why would the Evango-fascists want to participate in an event at the National Cathedral, anyway? Particularly as a Jew and a Moslem will be participating?

If they want, any Evango-fascist can attend and sit respectfully in a pew.

Evango-fascists look down on anyone who isn't Evango-fascist, and certainly wouldn't want to share any stage with a member of any of the faiths represented, including especially the Episcopalian.

They're just belly-aching for the sake of belly-aching. They want to feel sorry for themselves. So, boo-hoo, the Evango-fascists can go ahead and cry.



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09 Sep 2011, 1:08 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/nyreg ... s&emc=tha2

No clergy members at all at the New York ceremony.

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Richard D. Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which is the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, said in an interview that the planned ceremony only proved that New York was the “epicenter of secularism,” out of step with the rest of America.

“We’re not France,” he said. “Mr. Bloomberg is pretending we’re a secular society, and we are not.”


:lmao:

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The parallel controversy over the interfaith prayer service in Washington proves that it is difficult to avoid criticism even when religious leaders are included in a public ceremony.

The controversy was fueled this week on Fox News when Gretchen Carlson, co-host of “Fox and Friends,” said that because of “political correctness,” the cathedral had included “fringe groups” like Buddhist nuns in the prayer service, but not Baptists.

“We’re going to have a Buddhist nun, which we didn’t even know existed,” she said.


What an ignorant b***h that Gretchen is. :roll:

Anyway, you Evango-Fascists now have reason to rejoice:

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On Thursday, the cathedral announced that because a crane repairing earthquake damage collapsed on part of the building on Wednesday, the prayer service was being moved to the Washington Hebrew Congregation, a synagogue.

And there may be other changes as well. Mr. Weinberg said the list of clergy was still being made final and might include at least one Baptist minister.


So, God has obviously punished these Godless Episcopalians for not inviting an Evango-Fascist to come and preach at the ceremony.

I wonder what other changes are being contemplated? Maybe handling some rattlesnakes? Talking in Tongues?



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09 Sep 2011, 2:02 pm

From the sound of things, they've snubbed catholics, orthodox christians, and mormons as well.

Granted, you can count me among those who feel that evangelical christians are the sort that the romans would have fed to lions with good cause, but they aren't being singled out by any stretch of the imagination.



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09 Sep 2011, 2:17 pm

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From the sound of things, they've snubbed catholics, orthodox christians, and mormons as well.

Granted, you can count me among those who feel that evangelical christians are the sort that the romans would have fed to lions with good cause, but they aren't being singled out by any stretch of the imagination.


how about the shi'a, orthodox and conservative and jews, Karaitest, the druze,
The Sikhs (they are the non-islamic turban dudes that get killed by red necks).
Sounds like these national cathedral dudes are dicks.


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09 Sep 2011, 3:19 pm

Evango-fascists are just cry-babies looking for something to whine about.



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09 Sep 2011, 8:37 pm

Why are these guys so important? Why is no one complaining about the lack of Satanist, Wiccans and Pastafarians in that ceremony?


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09 Sep 2011, 8:48 pm

pandabear wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/nyregion/omitting-clergy-from-911-ceremony-prompts-protest.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2

No clergy members at all at the New York ceremony.

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Richard D. Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which is the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, said in an interview that the planned ceremony only proved that New York was the “epicenter of secularism,” out of step with the rest of America.

“We’re not France,” he said. “Mr. Bloomberg is pretending we’re a secular society, and we are not.”


:lmao:

Back to Washington:
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The parallel controversy over the interfaith prayer service in Washington proves that it is difficult to avoid criticism even when religious leaders are included in a public ceremony.

The controversy was fueled this week on Fox News when Gretchen Carlson, co-host of “Fox and Friends,” said that because of “political correctness,” the cathedral had included “fringe groups” like Buddhist nuns in the prayer service, but not Baptists.

“We’re going to have a Buddhist nun, which we didn’t even know existed,” she said.


What an ignorant b***h that Gretchen is. :roll:

Anyway, you Evango-Fascists now have reason to rejoice:

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On Thursday, the cathedral announced that because a crane repairing earthquake damage collapsed on part of the building on Wednesday, the prayer service was being moved to the Washington Hebrew Congregation, a synagogue.

And there may be other changes as well. Mr. Weinberg said the list of clergy was still being made final and might include at least one Baptist minister.


So, God has obviously punished these Godless Episcopalians for not inviting an Evango-Fascist to come and preach at the ceremony.

I wonder what other changes are being contemplated? Maybe handling some rattlesnakes? Talking in Tongues?


Thank you for showing another example of rampant immaturity.

Why are Muslim Religious leaders (their equivalent to priests) being allowed then?



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09 Sep 2011, 9:43 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/nyregion/omitting-clergy-from-911-ceremony-prompts-protest.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2

No clergy members at all at the New York ceremony.

Quote:
Richard D. Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which is the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, said in an interview that the planned ceremony only proved that New York was the “epicenter of secularism,” out of step with the rest of America.

“We’re not France,” he said. “Mr. Bloomberg is pretending we’re a secular society, and we are not.”


:lmao:

Back to Washington:
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The parallel controversy over the interfaith prayer service in Washington proves that it is difficult to avoid criticism even when religious leaders are included in a public ceremony.

The controversy was fueled this week on Fox News when Gretchen Carlson, co-host of “Fox and Friends,” said that because of “political correctness,” the cathedral had included “fringe groups” like Buddhist nuns in the prayer service, but not Baptists.

“We’re going to have a Buddhist nun, which we didn’t even know existed,” she said.


What an ignorant b***h that Gretchen is. :roll:

Anyway, you Evango-Fascists now have reason to rejoice:

Quote:
On Thursday, the cathedral announced that because a crane repairing earthquake damage collapsed on part of the building on Wednesday, the prayer service was being moved to the Washington Hebrew Congregation, a synagogue.

And there may be other changes as well. Mr. Weinberg said the list of clergy was still being made final and might include at least one Baptist minister.


So, God has obviously punished these Godless Episcopalians for not inviting an Evango-Fascist to come and preach at the ceremony.

I wonder what other changes are being contemplated? Maybe handling some rattlesnakes? Talking in Tongues?


Thank you for showing another example of rampant immaturity.

Why are Muslim Religious leaders (their equivalent to priests) being allowed then?


The point of that is to show that Muslim Americans are just that - Americans.
Plus, they haven't been spouting idiocies such as that the President is the Anti-Christ, like evangelicals have been.

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09 Sep 2011, 9:45 pm

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Thank you for showing another example of rampant immaturity.

Your stock phrase is "Thank you for providing another example of why I hate Liberals." Are you changing things up a little bit?

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Why are Muslim Religious leaders (their equivalent to priests) being allowed then?

What business is it of yours?



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09 Sep 2011, 9:58 pm

pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Thank you for showing another example of rampant immaturity.

Your stock phrase is "Thank you for providing another example of why I hate Liberals." Are you changing things up a little bit?


Actually it's some liberals like Chevand are starting to shape up on their behavior, and he's recently admitted to some of his failings. You on the other hand have doubled down on your immaturity.

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Why are Muslim Religious leaders (their equivalent to priests) being allowed then?

What business is it of yours?


To point out the obvious.

Inviting muslim leaders, while not inviting Catholic, Evangelical, etc. religious leaders (especially since there are more Christians in the US than Muslims) shows a double standard and is arguably religious discrimination in violation of the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution. It wouldn't surprise me if more Christians died on 9/11 than Muslims considering Christianity has a higher demographic percentage of the US population than Muslims.

78.4% of the adult population in the United States is Christian.

1.7% is Jewish

0.6% is Muslim

http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

I think discriminating against 78.4% of the US population or 80.1% if we throw in Jewish people whom are the next highest religious in percentage (since atheists claim they are not a religion), in favor of 0.6% of the US population and the 16.1% that are nonidentifed (I'll lump them all into the atheist category), is blatent discrimination.