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14 Sep 2011, 2:03 pm

A 400 thousand ton spacecraft could easily handle the explosions of 1 megaton hydrogen bombs.



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14 Sep 2011, 2:04 pm

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A 400 thousand ton spacecraft could easily handle the explosions of 1 megaton hydrogen bombs.


What if it's made out of bamboo? :P



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14 Sep 2011, 2:05 pm

No exotic materials are required for an atomic spaceship so steel will work just fine.



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14 Sep 2011, 2:09 pm

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Black hole power is also practical.

Lol, we could together exploit a dimension of pure evil....pure chaos... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Just so long as the darkness inside from the other abyss doesn't get us first :lol:


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14 Sep 2011, 2:11 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Black hole power is also practical.

Lol, we could together exploit a dimension of pure evil....pure chaos... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Just so long as the darkness inside from the other abyss doesn't get us first :lol:


Where we're going... you don't need eyes


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14 Sep 2011, 2:16 pm

Hehe, that's probably the second-most rinsed music in dnb/jungle sampling history next to what Aphrodite single-handedly did to Usual Suspects.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLl9KmQWklw[/youtube]


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14 Sep 2011, 2:24 pm

We could use atomic rockets to create the black hole infrastructure. All we need to do is tow a million ton asteroid and 144 square miles of solar panels to within 600,000 miles of Sun. We then aim the solar panels to cook the asteroid with trillions of degrees of heat until the whole million tons of asteroid collapses in on itself to about the size of a single atom. With all the radiation that now is emitting from the black hole we have the power necessary for space travel at close to the speed of light. With time dilation in our favor we can tour the entire milky way galaxy with a ship time of only 40 years but with an earth time of 100,000 years.



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14 Sep 2011, 2:25 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Hehe, that's probably the second-most rinsed music in dnb/jungle sampling history next to what Aphrodite single-handedly did to Usual Suspects.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLl9KmQWklw[/youtube]


:lmao: what a mind f**k!! !


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14 Sep 2011, 2:53 pm

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I'm feeling lazy and don't feel like re-writing my views on space industrialization so I'm going to quote myself from not too long ago:

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Well there is the Shackleton Energy Company that wants to start robotic surface ice mining on the Moon with operations start date in 2015. This doesn't involve any human travel to the Moon. It will likely involve tech proven on Mars albeit probably a bit cheaper. The ice in Shackleton crater is believed to be simply sitting there so all it involves is using lasers to cut/burn out 'cubes' of ice and then using a transponder road, bring it back to a rocket fuel factory (also automated). Further chemical launches would be used to get the rocket fuel into space and then shipped to orbital gas stations. Later mass drivers might be used. Chances are they will be using SpaceX for launch and Bigelow for modules. Stone Aerospace itself is a pioneer in deep sea ROV tech so I think they are capable of putting together the required robotics for a lunar operation (where extreme pressure becomes a non-issue)

That's all fine and dandy though but there has to be profit to encourage people to actually use Stone/SEC's facilities. The space tourist industry will certainly help provide funding, and there is already one promotion I am aware of: Win a trip to space! :O :O

VASIMIR being put up into space in 2014 will probably change things. Plans are for it to be mounted on the ISS for station keeping and space testing. Using this kind of engine could make longer distance trips much more feasible. If that is the case it would be more realistic to be able to get to resource-rich asteroid, for example. At the current time it isn't really profitable to spend all the time getting there and trying to teleoperate robotic mining vehicles with a large time delay. But if you can send say 10 people there in a few weeks to stay there in shifts of several months and operate the robots without time delay and with direct oversight it becomes more realistic. And asteroid mining is really the key to space infrastructure. It is simply too expensive to send the material required for, say, a space elevator, into space from Earth.

Better would be to send a small crew on a spacecraft using combined VASIMIR/Solar sails (not unlike the steam/sail hybrids of the early modern period) to a proper material candidate such as a Vestoid-class asteroid. Once there they commence mining to construct mass drivers to propel the asteroid into a very high Earth orbit. For the next few decades semi-automated miners would build 60,000 km of carbon-nanotube wound cable from the asteroid itself, down towards the Earth's surface, where it would 'dock' somewhere in the equatorial regions. Thus Earth would have it's first space elevator and greater amounts of people would be able to go into space cheaply. The remaining asteroid material would probably be used as the counterweight for the elevator

Additionally space plane technology seems to be getting more advanced. Before a cable ever becomes a reality it might be possible that more advanced space planes will be responsible for taking people into LEO where they will board proper space craft.

Asteroids really are the key to space infrastructure. Having excellent semi-autonomous and autonomous robotic mining/manufacturing technology, more advanced carbon nanotube/fullerene technology, VASIMIR-type engines or better, solar sails, and probably space based nuclear-electric power, will also be necessary, just to be able to get out to asteroids. Space planes as well will play an important part. The hollowed out shells of the asteroids could be put into Lagrange points where they could be spun to generate artificial gravity of whatever g you desire


Since that time I've also been reading into laser propulsion which I think will also be a game changer. Not having to carry ANY fuel at all (other than for small pitch/yaw corrections, which could follow the Russian example and be miniature ion engines thus require little weight for the fuel which is usually xenon gas) I suppose, the energy is quite literally shot into the spacecraft using lasers. This method of propulsion is also suggested for powering the space elevator "climber". It might be that fusion won't be necessary for the time being, though when it does become feasible it will certainly be helpful

As to Titan, I don't know if it would be the "next Middle-East" as it lacks crazy religious fundamentalists and oppressive heat (;) ) but the extraction of its vast lakes of ethane could be very profitable. There is also a growing belief that even beneath its liquid ethane/methane sculpted surface is a vast ocean of H2O. The Moons around Saturn are more likely to be exploited before the moons of Jupiter simply due to the fact that Saturn has considerably less radiation everywhere around it, despite their advanced distance in comparison

BTW - solid, I like!

Will have to look at this a bit further and see if I can find any good articles that dive into more detail. Sounds fascinatingly well thought-out already.


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14 Sep 2011, 2:55 pm

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:lmao: what a mind f**k!! !

Lol, I guess you build a tolerance to that stuff. For me that's my top 40/pop. :lol:


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14 Sep 2011, 3:03 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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:lmao: what a mind f**k!! !

Lol, I guess you build a tolerance to that stuff. For me that's my top 40/pop. :lol:


lol not that I meant it wasn't good, I thought it was pretty awesome. I just find the concept of hearing Sam Neill samples in a song hilarious. Do they take any Neill Jurassic Park samples in other songs? :lol:


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14 Sep 2011, 3:14 pm

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There's a rather famous story of NASA spending like a million dollars or more to develop a pen to write in space. The Russians just used pencils...


graphite flakes and powder floating around in zero g could do a number on the electronics.

A graphite pencil in zero g is a bad idea.

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they used grease pencils.


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14 Sep 2011, 3:17 pm

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:lmao: what a mind f**k!! !

Lol, I guess you build a tolerance to that stuff. For me that's my top 40/pop. :lol:


lol not that I meant it wasn't good, I thought it was pretty awesome. I just find the concept of hearing Sam Neill samples in a song hilarious. Do they take any Neill Jurassic Park samples in other songs? :lol:

Lol, nah, I heard you right - I was just saying I forget that this stuff is proper mind-bending, started listening to that stuff back in 97/98 so in the past thirteen years or so I've kinda gotten immune, perhaps a bit like the guy who can sit there and chug hot-sauce by the bottle. I miss feeling that though so I'd have to call you a lucky SOB, :lol:

AFAIK no Jurassic Park but, then again I only saw the first one so I can't rule that out.


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14 Sep 2011, 3:18 pm

I'm waiting to see the atomic rocket pyrotechnics at the next heavy metal rock concert.



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14 Sep 2011, 3:20 pm

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I'm waiting to see the atomic rocket pyrotechnics at the next heavy metal rock concert.

Lol, so you can both listen to heavy metal and have heavy metal raining down?


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14 Sep 2011, 3:34 pm

The dynamite that simulates the atomic explosions will be in cardboard containers so there will be no danger of shrapnel hitting the crowd.