Thou shall not suffer a witch to live.

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15 Sep 2011, 4:22 am

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As rendered into English it can only mean that "witches are so evil that they are pathetic and killing them is the right because it puts them out of their misery (like putting down an animal)."

That is not what the Hebrew of the TNKH says. Not at all. Only Gentiles could screw up a simple passage so thoroughly.

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15 Sep 2011, 6:05 am

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naturalplastic wrote:

As rendered into English it can only mean that "witches are so evil that they are pathetic and killing them is the right because it puts them out of their misery (like putting down an animal)."

That is not what the Hebrew of the TNKH says. Not at all. Only Gentiles could screw up a simple passage so thoroughly.

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well, you do have to consider that Hebrew is hardly our language.
All the more reason to hold literal inerrancy of scripture, when you're talking about translations, as suspect.

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15 Sep 2011, 6:35 am

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Absolutely. Translations are at best approximations.

That is why I read TNKH in Hebrew and Aramaic (the book of Daniel is in Aramaic).

Combine approximations with a theological agenda and one has a train wreck. How many haggish women died in New England because of the Puritan Agenda?

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15 Sep 2011, 10:08 am

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so Rebbe whats your translation?

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15 Sep 2011, 11:42 am

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What do you call a 17th century girl who is good at math?

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15 Sep 2011, 11:51 am

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In Salem, fourteen women, and five men. A few died in prison awaiting execution.

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15 Sep 2011, 12:03 pm

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What do you call a 17th century girl who is good at math?

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Good one!

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15 Sep 2011, 12:29 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

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so Rebbe whats your translation?

Don't afford a hag/poisoner/spell-caster a living. Which is NOT the same as kill the hag. It means do not employ the hag.

King Saul fudged and employed the Hag of Ein Dor.

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15 Sep 2011, 3:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

so Rebbe whats your translation?

Don't afford a hag/poisoner/spell-caster a living. Which is NOT the same as kill the hag. It means do not employ the hag.

King Saul fudged and employed the Hag of Ein Dor.

that was the gist that I took from it.

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15 Sep 2011, 7:23 pm

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I am thinking the intention was don't help witches or employ them.
Too bad so many people had to burn over a little verse.

No wander some people see religious agenda, right? Alot of groups do that with their verses all the time. kind of.

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15 Sep 2011, 8:49 pm

One Witch i know thinks the Bible sucks because she thinks it calls for the death penalty for Witches.

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16 Sep 2011, 1:46 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

so Rebbe whats your translation?

Don't afford a hag/poisoner/spell-caster a living. Which is NOT the same as kill the hag. It means do not employ the hag.

King Saul fudged and employed the Hag of Ein Dor.

that was the gist that I took from it.

Ok...so why is that particular hag portrayed as being in fear for her life once she found out who it was employing her?

Also, sorcery is a forbidden practice, probably because it attempts to manipulate the spirit world, at worst presuming to make the practitioner equal to or greater than a deity, not to mention infidelity to YHWH. And YHWH commands that no form of idolatry is to be tolerated in the Holy Land. The command in conquering Canaan was to wipe out all those remaining in the land, killing them if they could not be at least forcibly deported. It isn't unreasonable to conclude that sorcery, being an act of treachery in this context, is punishable by death within the borders of a theocracy composed of God's covenant people.

The evidence suggests the crime of necromancy is punishable by death. "Do not allow a [witch/poisoner/hag/magician/sorcerer/necromancer] to live" seems plenty plausible to me.

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16 Sep 2011, 2:58 pm

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The evidence suggests the crime of necromancy is punishable by death. "Do not allow a [witch/poisoner/hag/magician/sorcerer/necromancer] to live" seems plenty plausible to me.

That could but but it ain't what the Hebrew verse says. The verb form is the causative.

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16 Sep 2011, 2:59 pm

Is the purpose of this thread to either find or present justification (or both) for killing witches?

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16 Sep 2011, 3:02 pm

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Is the purpose of this thread to either find or present justification (or both) for killing witches?

I hope not.

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16 Sep 2011, 3:06 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Is the purpose of this thread to either find or present justification (or both) for killing witches?

I hope not.

Same here. I'd hate to see Nigerian Witch Hunts spread to other parts of the world.

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