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22 Sep 2011, 7:46 pm

Pi is irrational in name only.


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22 Sep 2011, 7:48 pm

^ "Irrationality", in reference to π, means only that π can not be fully and accurately expressed as the ratio of any two integer numbers.


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22 Sep 2011, 10:00 pm

well... the way the question is phrased has me choosing A. I have no interest in spirituality. Closeness to God for me is spreading his will on earth during this lifetime.


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22 Sep 2011, 11:17 pm

What is more important to you?

A. The quest of advanced education, materialism, attainment of wealth, status and financial security or.....
B. The quest for spirituality and the close connection to God.

Well, since I'm already a God, the quest in B would have to be for some other God, though I am often tempted to sneak up behind Oberon in stick him in the buttock with a hat pin. Too many of the connections have been completed, so that leaves the spirituality of numbers, but there aren't any numbers, and since there aren't any, there isn't one to be met. I've already met the God Infinity, and he's not a number, so Zero is out of it too.

Advanced education will at first lead to a spirituality of imaginary numbers, even to arguments about imaginary numbers counting other imaginary numbers, or rooting out that the imaginary numbers deny any belief in themselves. These "atheist" imaginary numbers call the others "transcendental imaginary numbers", which are all certainly irrational to everyone too. In their own imagination, these transcendentals claim they have members which contain every bit of possible knowlege and information contained in their infinite chain of marks on a rock, or all those fingers. Infinity denies this as hogwash, but Casper the friendly Ghost is searching for "Dracula", symbol-for-symbol, in Pi. Here, I want the address of every entry in The Library of Congress (with the complete body of each work), so I can catalog the catalogs into an impossible set so Casper will become frustrated enough with spirituality, that he will materialize in front of Mammon.

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23 Sep 2011, 12:05 am

Fnord wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Abgal64 wrote:
A, as B does nothing and is not rational.
The universe is replete with useful irrationality. Take π for example.

π, while irrational, has been proven to exist. God, on the other hand, has not.


You can look to imaginary photons also. Not proven to exist, though seemingly rational. I call it poppycock.



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23 Sep 2011, 12:48 am

cw10 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Abgal64 wrote:
A, as B does nothing and is not rational.
The universe is replete with useful irrationality. Take π for example.

π, while irrational, has been proven to exist. God, on the other hand, has not.


You can look to imaginary photons also. Not proven to exist, though seemingly rational. I call it poppycock.


No, things like that are used as tools for more connected or continuous thought, sans demonstratable steps in each actuality. Quantum Physics/Mechanics is full of such. Categorical Mathematics in Physics (much of programming too) calls these things "functors", and when they are no longer of any use, they're not just pulled out (they always leave something behind, no matter how small of a nuisance that can later become very large), but are usually somewhat "nullified" with a "forgetful functor", but confusion usually remains (esp. for Grad students overly stuck with a notion of "reality").

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23 Sep 2011, 2:05 am

I choose B.



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23 Sep 2011, 7:42 am

pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
A. The quest of advanced education, materialism, attainment of wealth, status and financial security or.....
B. The quest for spirituality and the close connection to God.

I assume the majority of you would select A. A or B and your reason(s) why?


One can be spiritual and god-connected while being materially well off. The two alternatives are NOT mutually exclusive.

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That is only according to the hypcrites who spread the "Prosperity Gospel" garbage.


Wealthy evangelical Prosperity Gospel/Cult leaders who make millions from believers. The evangelical leader pushes their own interpretation of the Bible onto the masses.

Prosperity Gospel is usually about: Self, wealth, greed, immoral behaviour and taking down anyone who stands in your way.

No one can reasonably argue or find any fault in an individual who believes they are the Son of God or the human embodiment/prophet of God. In their view/opinion they will always be right and the other person will be wrong.



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23 Sep 2011, 11:47 am

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23 Sep 2011, 2:06 pm

cw10 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Abgal64 wrote:
A, as B does nothing and is not rational.
The universe is replete with useful irrationality. Take π for example.
π, while irrational, has been proven to exist. God, on the other hand, has not.
You can look to imaginary photons also. Not proven to exist, though seemingly rational. I call it poppycock.

Obviously, you have never performed the Grangier Experiment: Experiments With Single Photons. Try it sometime.


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23 Sep 2011, 2:37 pm

cw10 wrote:

You can look to imaginary photons also. Not proven to exist, though seemingly rational. I call it poppycock.


photons are as real a light. The single photon measurements have detected them.

Your computer would not exist if we did not know the existence and understand the nature of photons.

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