Right vs Left

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Here is the left-right divide:

Because of the notions of right and wrong that conservatives hold, the left hates us more then it hates evil.

The leftists notions of right and wrong are based on the strong versus the weak, the rich versus the poor, un-oppressed versus the oppressed, the materially advantaged versus the disadvantaged, the well-off versus the not-well-so-well-off.... or in other words, it is a materialistic view. It often sees evil through that lens, or in America, through the lens of race, class, and gender. Whereas a black guy who beats his pregnant black girlfriend to death, the lens applied changes the narrative to justify it based on race, class, and gender, and fault the sexist, racist, classist "system" for making him the vile violent creature he is.

They also cannot believe that the opposition's idealism can be that noble since they couldn't imagine themselves doing the same. It has to therefor be materialistic or material(greed) that animates the right.

The left is tribalistic (fascism was tribalism based on nation, communism was tribalism based on class, nazism was tribalism based on race). The right is individualistic. This is why identity politics is so important to them, and their always out to group people and nurture identities.

The left is pro-equality, the right is pro-liberty. The only realm that the Left is pro-liberty on is the sexual arena and gay rights. In every other realm, Liberty is in the service of Equality.

We are pro-justice, they are pro-compassion, and it guides both of our social policies.

At the end of the day, the left hates the right more then it hates evil... because it attributes a lot of evil emanating from the right, and sees us constructing the evils that they fight. Or in other words... Evil is constructed, which is the "system", and the average human being's failings are because of the system. Sexism, racism, xenophobia, classism, agism, etc.

We on the right feel that the greatest battles in life are not with the world, but with your nature and your self. The left believes the human being is too good to do these things on their own, and forces beyond them compel them to do the heinous acts that they commit.

It seems quite obvious that the position of the right described here is just flat out incorrect. People who have personally had do deal with the evil of institutions will attest that it can't simply be blamed on a few "bad apples". History has shown that otherwise, that normal "good" people can hold sh***y beliefs that cause irreparable harm to society. Institutions often really are the greatest evil. Bad people didn't cause the rise Nazism or Stalinism which killed tens of millions. It was the contagious spread of evil ideas that caused all that suffering. Or what about the institution of slavery? No individual can be held responsible alone. Collective institutional evil exists and it is a whole different animal from common criminality or individuals with a defective personality.

To ignore the elephant in the room that is institutional evil and simply place scorn on certain "losers" of society as being fully responsible for societal ills is foolish and perilous. The conservative idea that all issues stem from innate properties of individuals and their supposed moral failings while ignoring the wider system as a whole isn't even a logical or scientific. It seems the liberals have the more scientific approach.

My view and a lefty reaction from Marshall:

Your view is way too black and white.
Nativism, which is definitely based in tribalism, is undeniably a creature of the right.
I have never once heard of a liberal excusing some as*hole, regardless of his color, for beating up his spouse or girlfriend.
Without equality, there can be no liberty - the Civil Rights movement has more than demonstrated that.
The poor, racial and sexual minorities, and others who have been sh** on by the haves are in fact victims of evil.
I don't believe there are any liberals who cast doubt on evil originating in individuals - the fact of the matter is though, as institutions are human inventions, they are capable of doing bad things that individuals can do.
I could go on, but I'm missing Colbert.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I am sure the intention of the Fascism canard is that is frees the right from one of its greatest stains
the promblem with the ruse is that is make the person using it look foolish and dishonest.
Nationalism is the definition of the right.