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11 Oct 2011, 10:42 am

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Which they actually don't do in Afghanistan at all. It's an African norm, not a Muslim one and it's prevalent on Islan's frontier, not its centre.


They do throw acid on the girls if they go to school... so lets not call them progressive.

FYI, FGM is not an 'African cultural norm' the lat time I checked Palestine, Pakistan, Indonesia, Tajikistan, Chechnya et al are not within Africa.


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11 Oct 2011, 11:02 am

91 wrote:
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Which they actually don't do in Afghanistan at all. It's an African norm, not a Muslim one and it's prevalent on Islan's frontier, not its centre.


They do throw acid on the girls if they go to school... so lets not call them progressive.

FYI, FGM is not an 'African cultural norm' the lat time I checked Palestine, Pakistan, Indonesia, Tajikistan, Chechnya et al are not within Africa.


First, I didn't say that Afghanistan aren't hugely backwards in terms of female rights. I just said that they don't do genital mutilation to my knowledge. Although given atrocious women's rights in Afghan land I doubt this.

Second, just because it happens a lot on Asian countries doesn't mean it isn't a norm, culturally, in many African states. Benin, Burkina Faso, Comoros, Cameroon, CAR, Chad, Cote D'Ivoire, Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Ghana, Guinuea, Guinea-Bissau... etc etc.



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11 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm

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Obession about gender the one of the most incidious opinions that NTs have that iit is polluted religion :arrow:

And apparently once its in its hardwired. Strange stuff. :?

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Any time you have a theocracy, it's going to cause problems. Israel would have peace now if it weren't for the fundies claiming that all of Palestine is their 'god-given' right, and if this segment of the population gets more power things are just going to get worse.
Well, to be fair the Palestineans will agree to a peace accord as long as it only gives the Jews the Mediterranean sea - preferably the bottom of it.


Libelous and unhelpful.
and really an excuse for genocide on the part of the Israelis.


JakobVirgil, it is only libelous if what he was saying isn't true, which unfortunately for you it is true, while what you did say is libelous and slander.

If Israel was actually trying to wipe out the Palestinians, they are conducting the most incompetitent campaign of genocide in the history of the world, considering the Palestinian population is increasing not decreasing.



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11 Oct 2011, 1:07 pm

Genocide? What the hell? Israel does use a butcher knife at times when they use be using a damn scalpel, but they were the ones who had Hamas chucking bombs into their neighbourhoods so I don't blame them for taking action.



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11 Oct 2011, 1:17 pm

I would need to see more sources to back this story up. It seems a little exaggerated.

On the lighter side I thought only monkeys throw their poo. :lol:



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11 Oct 2011, 9:29 pm

91 wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Which they actually don't do in Afghanistan at all. It's an African norm, not a Muslim one and it's prevalent on Islan's frontier, not its centre.


They do throw acid on the girls if they go to school... so lets not call them progressive.

FYI, FGM is not an 'African cultural norm' the lat time I checked Palestine, Pakistan, Indonesia, Tajikistan, Chechnya et al are not within Africa.


They sure arent those countries are in the middle east not Africa.



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12 Oct 2011, 2:28 am

For those requesting more sources:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/pa ... l-1.381369
see also:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-07-06/r ... ty/1343182
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed ... l-234.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oc ... ion.israel
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archi ... christians
http://www.rickross.com/reference/ultra ... tra28.html
http://jezebel.com/5814123/ultra+orthod ... iage-rally



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12 Oct 2011, 9:54 am

ruveyn wrote:
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Which they actually don't do in Afghanistan at all. It's an African norm, not a Muslim one and it's prevalent on Islan's frontier, not its centre.


The same narrow minded Ultra Orhtodox don't hijack commercial air flights and crash them into tall buildings filled with unarmed people. Try blaming THAT on the Africans.

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That didn't need to be said anywhere. Attempting to shoehorn in bad sentiments at all occasions is the hallmark of a zealot.



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12 Oct 2011, 10:04 am

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Aspiewordsmith wrote:
Obession about gender the one of the most incidious opinions that NTs have that iit is polluted religion :arrow:

And apparently once its in its hardwired. Strange stuff. :?

LKL wrote:
Any time you have a theocracy, it's going to cause problems. Israel would have peace now if it weren't for the fundies claiming that all of Palestine is their 'god-given' right, and if this segment of the population gets more power things are just going to get worse.
Well, to be fair the Palestineans will agree to a peace accord as long as it only gives the Jews the Mediterranean sea - preferably the bottom of it.


Libelous and unhelpful.
and really an excuse for genocide on the part of the Israelis.


JakobVirgil, it is only libelous if what he was saying isn't true, which unfortunately for you it is true, while what you did say is libelous and slander.

If Israel was actually trying to wipe out the Palestinians, they are conducting the most incompetitent campaign of genocide in the history of the world, considering the Palestinian population is increasing not decreasing.


Oh its different when you do it.
lets go down a check list
Did I say what you are accusing me of?
Just calm down take a rest and maybe read a little something less bile-filled.


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20 Oct 2011, 4:09 am

Part 2:
http://skepchick.org/2011/10/ultra-orth ... yny-redux/



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20 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

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Part 2:
http://skepchick.org/2011/10/ultra-orth ... yny-redux/


Ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremity is just as bad-ass as Islamic extremity. But it is somewhat less violent. Orthodox Jews who think women should stay home and make babies generally do not hijack commercial flights and crash them into tall building.

In biblical times, the Israelites were every bit as bad-ass as the Jihadist extremists are today.

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20 Oct 2011, 2:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:
LKL wrote:
Part 2:
http://skepchick.org/2011/10/ultra-orth ... yny-redux/


Ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremity is just as bad-ass as Islamic extremity. But it is somewhat less violent. Orthodox Jews who think women should stay home and make babies generally do not hijack commercial flights and crash them into tall building.

In biblical times, the Israelites were every bit as bad-ass as the Jihadist extremists are today.

ruveyn


Much moreso.



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20 Oct 2011, 3:04 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Not Afghanistan, and not Muslims.

http://skepchick.org/2011/10/ultra-orthodox-men/


Shame on them for the narrow mindedness. But at least they don't cut the clitorises off from little girls.

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Female circumcision isn't that common, except maybe in some African countries

However, the male circumcision, which is done without any anesthesia, is done in hospital as a normal procedure while there's no medical reason for it. Media doesn't make any fuss about it too compared to the
female circumcision, this public silence makes it even graver.

Muslims and jews cut the foreskin of their male babies in hospitals.

In Lebanon for instance, male babies from muslim parents are almost automatically circumcised in hospitals, while they ask the parents first if they were Christians....

Circumcision is wrong, no parent should decide for it.



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20 Oct 2011, 4:12 pm

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Much moreso.


Not so. Jews have killed for fewer people than Muslims.

Jews don't strap on bombs and do random killings in the market place. Nor do they hijack commercal airflights and crash the planes into tall buildings.

When Jews go bad their are less likely to take the al Queda route and more likely to take the Bernie Madoff route. Both are extremely harmful.

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20 Oct 2011, 5:40 pm

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Female circumcision isn't that common, except maybe in some African countries

However, the male circumcision, which is done without any anesthesia, is done in hospital as a normal procedure while there's no medical reason for it. Media doesn't make any fuss about it too compared to the
female circumcision, this public silence makes it even graver.

Muslims and jews cut the foreskin of their male babies in hospitals.

In Lebanon for instance, male babies from muslim parents are almost automatically circumcised in hospitals, while they ask the parents first if they were Christians....

Circumcision is wrong, no parent should decide for it.

Lol, don't you know by now? Men are 'unworthy victims'.


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20 Oct 2011, 6:00 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Female circumcision isn't that common, except maybe in some African countries

However, the male circumcision, which is done without any anesthesia, is done in hospital as a normal procedure while there's no medical reason for it. Media doesn't make any fuss about it too compared to the
female circumcision, this public silence makes it even graver.

Muslims and jews cut the foreskin of their male babies in hospitals.

In Lebanon for instance, male babies from muslim parents are almost automatically circumcised in hospitals, while they ask the parents first if they were Christians....

Circumcision is wrong, no parent should decide for it.

Lol, don't you know by now? Men are 'unworthy victims'.


Males* are 'unworthy victims' because we're not just talking about adult males.

yea, and what's weird that some would reply "...but male circumcision isn't like removing the girl's clitoris..." as if the difference between the two wrongs makes the first one more right.

Like, the media makes a huge fuss when 1 girl gets circumcised in africa , yet nothing about the thousands of male newborns or even the young toddlers who were being circumcised, with no anesthesia, everyday inside hospitals or even outside them.

If the newborns can't remember the indescribable pain once they become older that doesn't mean they don't experience it.



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