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15 Oct 2011, 5:30 am

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It's a non-issue because plenty of higher-up Muslim men in this country take more than one wife within in their own community but not legally. It's preferable, for me, to adultery...but I still don't think I'd like it to happen to me. That's what happens in the Muslim situation, the men choose polygamy and it's a situation that the women don't choose, it happens to them.

If were to be legalised here, I prefer it if polyandry was, as well. I don't think polygamy would ever really be that popular (it's not really that common amongst Muslims) and polyandry would be even less popular.

I heard polygamy is the norm in Saudi Arabia and there are a lot of single men and this is directly connected to extremism and Jihad. I heard a guy talk about it on the Michael Savage show while I went somewhere by car the other night. It's what got me thinking about widespread polygamy values in the US.



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15 Oct 2011, 6:52 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
It's a non-issue because plenty of higher-up Muslim men in this country take more than one wife within in their own community but not legally. It's preferable, for me, to adultery...but I still don't think I'd like it to happen to me. That's what happens in the Muslim situation, the men choose polygamy and it's a situation that the women don't choose, it happens to them.

If were to be legalised here, I prefer it if polyandry was, as well. I don't think polygamy would ever really be that popular (it's not really that common amongst Muslims) and polyandry would be even less popular.

I heard polygamy is the norm in Saudi Arabia and there are a lot of single men and this is directly connected to extremism and Jihad. I heard a guy talk about it on the Michael Savage show while I went somewhere by car the other night. It's what got me thinking about widespread polygamy values in the US.


Not a reliable source for thoughtful non bile-filled discussion,
While polygamy can increase the age of first marriage in males it does not necessarily decrease
their chances of getting married in their life time polygamy encourages unequal ages in spouse and thus produces more widows than monogamy.
Also I don't think polygamy rates in Saudi are high enough to make a difference.


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15 Oct 2011, 7:57 am

In some of the oil-rich Persian Gulf countries, men often take wives from poorer Asian countries.

For example, here is an advertisement from Vietnam

http://mr-cupid.com/muslim1.html



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15 Oct 2011, 9:52 am

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In some of the oil-rich Persian Gulf countries, men often take wives from poorer Asian countries.

For example, here is an advertisement from Vietnam

http://mr-cupid.com/muslim1.html


You seem to spend a lot of time on mail order bride sites.


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15 Oct 2011, 10:19 am

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Who would the latino men marry?


Actually the reason I arrived at the idea was because of the obvious problem that would arise if polygyny (without polyandry) did become a nationwide craze because of that TV show.

The obvious problem being the sex ratio. In those wierd fringe Mormon communities like Colorado City the young men get run out of town as they come of age. Thats how the old guys have the preponderance of females in the community that allows polygamy.

You could somehow try to do that nationwide. Or you could have selective abortion, or infanticide, of male babies- so that in twenty years you would have the right sex ratio. That was my next thought.
But then it occurred to me that we live a country that complains about recieving too much immigration.

So a much softer solution would be simply to open our borders to one gender and close it to the other. Problem solved!

So Im being a great humanitarian... comparitively speaking!

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15 Oct 2011, 1:51 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
It's a non-issue because plenty of higher-up Muslim men in this country take more than one wife within in their own community but not legally. It's preferable, for me, to adultery...but I still don't think I'd like it to happen to me. That's what happens in the Muslim situation, the men choose polygamy and it's a situation that the women don't choose, it happens to them.

If were to be legalised here, I prefer it if polyandry was, as well. I don't think polygamy would ever really be that popular (it's not really that common amongst Muslims) and polyandry would be even less popular.

I heard polygamy is the norm in Saudi Arabia and there are a lot of single men and this is directly connected to extremism and Jihad. I heard a guy talk about it on the Michael Savage show while I went somewhere by car the other night. It's what got me thinking about widespread polygamy values in the US.


Not a reliable source for thoughtful non bile-filled discussion,
While polygamy can increase the age of first marriage in males it does not necessarily decrease
their chances of getting married in their life time polygamy encourages unequal ages in spouse and thus produces more widows than monogamy.
Also I don't think polygamy rates in Saudi are high enough to make a difference.

I don't take the Savage show seriously. It just got me thinking about the wide spread implications of a polygamist society. One would be that some men would have a problem finding wives in such a society where polygamy is standard practice and I wondered what polygamist's response to that dilemma would be.



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15 Oct 2011, 5:25 pm

Back when wars meant that most of the men and boys had to die, there would be a surplus of women after the war. In Britain post WW-I, and in Vietnam after the American war, that meant quite a lot of women living in spinsterhood. For the Moslems, marrying an extra wife or two might have been a charitable act.



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15 Oct 2011, 5:39 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Anyway, what I wonder is, if polygamy became accepted and widespread because of this show, what would that mean for men trying to find wives? Wouldn't a large number of men be single because all the women are in polygamist marriages?


How many women do you think like the idea of being in polygamous marriages? It is not like these guys being legally able to marry every woman will make them do it. Also, if you worry only about 'taken' women. There are already tons of men out there that have more than one girl-friend and are reducing the amount of girls for you.


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15 Oct 2011, 5:43 pm

That's actually the idea I think behind polygamy; ie. the gene pool.


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15 Oct 2011, 5:44 pm

Another question I have to get off of my back that's just been bothering me entirely too long; how do you pronounce your name?


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15 Oct 2011, 5:54 pm

You can not be a Christian and have more than one wife, for it is written in Matthew 6:24...

The Apostle Matthew wrote:
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other..."

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15 Oct 2011, 7:02 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Anyway, what I wonder is, if polygamy became accepted and widespread because of this show, what would that mean for men trying to find wives? Wouldn't a large number of men be single because all the women are in polygamist marriages?


How many women do you think like the idea of being in polygamous marriages? It is not like these guys being legally able to marry every woman will make them do it. Also, if you worry only about 'taken' women. There are already tons of men out there that have more than one girl-friend and are reducing the amount of girls for you.

It's just hypothetical. Assuming women would be interested in this lifestyle. It isn't that bad a deal if their Sister Wives are nice and insightful, rational people. They all help each other with parenting. There's more support. There are a couple of negatives I can think of right off the bat. It just depends on how many wives each man has, The more wives, the more problems. If all the women are married to one man, there won't be any for everyone else and too many kids will share the same father.
If each man has three or four wives, it will take longer for problems to emerge, one being some men unable to find a wife because all the women are taken.



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15 Oct 2011, 7:02 pm

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Another question I have to get off of my back that's just been bothering me entirely too long; how do you pronounce your name?

It's pronounced like the name "Anna."



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15 Oct 2011, 7:11 pm

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Another question I have to get off of my back that's just been bothering me entirely too long; how do you pronounce your name?

It's pronounced like the name "Anna."

Ah, so the O's are silent. That's easier at least.


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15 Oct 2011, 7:13 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Another question I have to get off of my back that's just been bothering me entirely too long; how do you pronounce your name?

It's pronounced like the name "Anna."

Ah, so the O's are silent. That's easier at least.

The OoOo's are just for decoration :wink:



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15 Oct 2011, 9:42 pm

I'm getting in on this late, so my apologies if I'm repeating something that's already been said...

I'll keep this short and sweet. Polygamy just doesn't work in the long run, and polygamous pseudo-Christian sects/cults are just fooling themselves. Ever heard of this?

Fisher's Principle

Which might play a role in this:

Lost Boys

As much as I'd love to hoard a certain four women I've known over the years, it's a bigger problem than mere religion or household economics. If men are allowed to hoard multiple women, an imbalance is inherently created. This only works for breeding animals, and the only way to keep an "economic" breeding model going is to kill the excess males. And, of course, older men under this model have to accept younger men--perhaps even their own sons--will eventually kill them as a show of strength. This is just not something you see within the dynamic of human relationships.

The Fundies refuse to acknowledge how idiotic their setup is and how the only way they are able to maintain their way of life is their neighbors surrounding them are quite liberally-minded by comparison. The unwanted males have a place to go. Although to be fair the larger plural households belong more to men of status and while plural marriages are religiously sanctioned, not every man is even able to have more than one wife if one is lucky enough to have a wife at all. If their beliefs were universally accepted and practiced, you'd have the opposite kind of crisis that some families in China are experiencing since culturally more male babies are desired than females. It must suck to have to import women...