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10 Dec 2011, 11:28 pm

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I would love to see marijuana legalized.

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Forgot to watch the debate tonight, but I'm listening to the wrap up and I haven't heard Ron's name dropped yet. Surprising!




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10 Dec 2011, 11:32 pm

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yeah, if you want someone who's going to cut everyone's student loans and wants to make sure the wealthy pay absolutely no taxes.


Student loans are the reason college is so unaffordable now. Student loan debt now tops 1 trillion dollars and you can NEVER shed that debt and cruelest thing about is that those degrees are becoming worth less and less. 'Not to mention the actual quality of education has plummet along withe the skyrocketing costs. You're going to need a degree to flip burgers soon, hope you enjoy paying the student loan debt off with minimum wage. What a blessing it is to send our kids to college, NOT!


I was under the impression that the cost of tuition today was so high because of government funding cuts...to public universities at least.



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10 Dec 2011, 11:42 pm

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yeah, if you want someone who's going to cut everyone's student loans and wants to make sure the wealthy pay absolutely no taxes.


Student loans are the reason college is so unaffordable now. Student loan debt now tops 1 trillion dollars and you can NEVER shed that debt and cruelest thing about is that those degrees are becoming worth less and less. 'Not to mention the actual quality of education has plummet along withe the skyrocketing costs. You're going to need a degree to flip burgers soon, hope you enjoy paying the student loan debt off with minimum wage. What a blessing it is to send our kids to college, NOT!


I was under the impression that the cost of tuition today was so high because of government funding cuts...to public universities at least.

WORD!

The school I'm going to just had a 10% tuition hike directly related to funding cuts. This was after eating a funding cut last year and not raising tuition.

I have plenty of problems with higher ed, the idea that everyone needs a degree, the dumbing down of the curriculum (directly related to the first point), and a host of other things, but abundance of student loans is not among them.


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11 Dec 2011, 12:00 am

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WORD!

The school I'm going to just had a 10% tuition hike directly related to funding cuts. This was after eating a funding cut last year and not raising tuition.

I have plenty of problems with higher ed, the idea that everyone needs a degree, the dumbing down of the curriculum (directly related to the first point), and a host of other things, but abundance of student loans is not among them.

But don't grants and student loans that are available to almost anyone who wants one create an environment in which the idea that everyone needs a degree can flourish?



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11 Dec 2011, 1:10 am

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WORD!

The school I'm going to just had a 10% tuition hike directly related to funding cuts. This was after eating a funding cut last year and not raising tuition.

I have plenty of problems with higher ed, the idea that everyone needs a degree, the dumbing down of the curriculum (directly related to the first point), and a host of other things, but abundance of student loans is not among them.

But don't grants and student loans that are available to almost anyone who wants one create an environment in which the idea that everyone needs a degree can flourish?


Only if you're selecting on the basis of class and economic means.

Smart people should be encouraged to get degrees, not rich/poor people.

Rigorous academics, not lack of money, should weed people out.


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11 Dec 2011, 1:40 am

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Only if you're selecting on the basis of class and economic means.

Smart people should be encouraged to get degrees, not rich/poor people.

Rigorous academics, not lack of money, should weed people out.

With regard to student loans, I agree with you; however, I'm definitely not a proponent of "free college." The problem is that as things stand rigorous academics don't usually weed people out, but rather merely cause them to change their major to a "soft" subject.



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11 Dec 2011, 1:41 am

If you watched the debate, you would have seen Ron Paul show he is a total idiot when it comes to foreign policy.



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11 Dec 2011, 1:45 am

GoonSquad wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
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yeah, if you want someone who's going to cut everyone's student loans and wants to make sure the wealthy pay absolutely no taxes.


Student loans are the reason college is so unaffordable now. Student loan debt now tops 1 trillion dollars and you can NEVER shed that debt and cruelest thing about is that those degrees are becoming worth less and less. 'Not to mention the actual quality of education has plummet along withe the skyrocketing costs. You're going to need a degree to flip burgers soon, hope you enjoy paying the student loan debt off with minimum wage. What a blessing it is to send our kids to college, NOT!


I was under the impression that the cost of tuition today was so high because of government funding cuts...to public universities at least.

WORD!

The school I'm going to just had a 10% tuition hike directly related to funding cuts. This was after eating a funding cut last year and not raising tuition.

I have plenty of problems with higher ed, the idea that everyone needs a degree, the dumbing down of the curriculum (directly related to the first point), and a host of other things, but abundance of student loans is not among them.


It's a big problem, artificially raising demand causes the prices go up. It's the same reason the housing market got as inflated as it did and like the housing market, this bubble is going to burst eventually.



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11 Dec 2011, 1:46 am

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If you watched the debate, you would have seen Ron Paul show he is a total idiot when it comes to foreign policy.


If you watched the debate, you would of saw Newt Gingrich get owned by everyone on stage.

edit: last part was a little mean on second thought.



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11 Dec 2011, 1:47 am

Jacoby wrote:
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If you watched the debate, you would have seen Ron Paul show he is a total idiot when it comes to foreign policy.


If you watched the debate, you would of saw Newt Gingrich get owned by everyone on stage.

Idiot.


It's clear you missed the fact Romney lost to Ted Kennedy.



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11 Dec 2011, 2:04 am

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If you watched the debate, you would have seen Ron Paul show he is a total idiot when it comes to foreign policy.


If you watched the debate, you would of saw Newt Gingrich get owned by everyone on stage.

Idiot.


It's clear you missed the fact Romney lost to Ted Kennedy.


That was a nice snappy comeback but in no way make Newt look any better for saying it.



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11 Dec 2011, 2:11 am

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Only if you're selecting on the basis of class and economic means.

Smart people should be encouraged to get degrees, not rich/poor people.

Rigorous academics, not lack of money, should weed people out.

With regard to student loans, I agree with you; however, I'm definitely not a proponent of "free college." The problem is that as things stand rigorous academics don't usually weed people out, but rather merely cause them to change their major to a "soft" subject.


I have no problem with students paying a bit for their education… It’s good motivation, or should be.

I have no problem with the state subsidizing some degree programs more than others.

Just how many anthropologist with a master’s in Serbo-Croatian basket weaving does one society need?

Hell, I’m changing majors from History to Technology Education partially because the state thinks it needs more STEM educators than Historians (I disagree) and I have a much better chance at some loan forgiveness after graduation.


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11 Dec 2011, 2:19 am

Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
minervx wrote:
yeah, if you want someone who's going to cut everyone's student loans and wants to make sure the wealthy pay absolutely no taxes.


Student loans are the reason college is so unaffordable now. Student loan debt now tops 1 trillion dollars and you can NEVER shed that debt and cruelest thing about is that those degrees are becoming worth less and less. 'Not to mention the actual quality of education has plummet along withe the skyrocketing costs. You're going to need a degree to flip burgers soon, hope you enjoy paying the student loan debt off with minimum wage. What a blessing it is to send our kids to college, NOT!


I was under the impression that the cost of tuition today was so high because of government funding cuts...to public universities at least.

WORD!

The school I'm going to just had a 10% tuition hike directly related to funding cuts. This was after eating a funding cut last year and not raising tuition.

I have plenty of problems with higher ed, the idea that everyone needs a degree, the dumbing down of the curriculum (directly related to the first point), and a host of other things, but abundance of student loans is not among them.


It's a big problem, artificially raising demand causes the prices go up. It's the same reason the housing market got as inflated as it did and like the housing market, this bubble is going to burst eventually.


Too many students might be raising tuition because there are more folks consuming the same limited/shrinking resources.

However, cutting off access to student loans is not a reasonable solution. It's simply a way to preserve a repressive class order by making sure that only wealthy people have access to higher education.

As I said before, SMART PEOPLE should be getting degrees, NOT RICH PEOPLE, and NOT POOR PEOPLE.


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11 Dec 2011, 2:37 am

Jacoby wrote:
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yeah, if you want someone who's going to cut everyone's student loans and wants to make sure the wealthy pay absolutely no taxes.


Student loans are the reason college is so unaffordable now. Student loan debt now tops 1 trillion dollars and you can NEVER shed that debt and cruelest thing about is that those degrees are becoming worth less and less. 'Not to mention the actual quality of education has plummet along withe the skyrocketing costs. You're going to need a degree to flip burgers soon, hope you enjoy paying the student loan debt off with minimum wage. What a blessing it is to send our kids to college, NOT!


They should be a little more honest about the fact they are encouraging you to take out loans you have little chance of being able to afford to pay back before you go to college. But no my highschool staff if anything tried to hurry through that part so I would not concern myself with the financial aspects...........and now I'm probably screwed because I'm done going because I cannot afford more loans with how the past semester has gone. Thing that sucks also, is I would probably be too slow at flipping burgers to get a job doing that.


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11 Dec 2011, 2:45 am

well his campaign website was ok, then I got to the anti-abortion part.........we don't need some guy who thinks abortion should be illegal in office, and some of the other stuff did not seem all that well thought out.


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11 Dec 2011, 2:50 am

GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
minervx wrote:
yeah, if you want someone who's going to cut everyone's student loans and wants to make sure the wealthy pay absolutely no taxes.


Student loans are the reason college is so unaffordable now. Student loan debt now tops 1 trillion dollars and you can NEVER shed that debt and cruelest thing about is that those degrees are becoming worth less and less. 'Not to mention the actual quality of education has plummet along withe the skyrocketing costs. You're going to need a degree to flip burgers soon, hope you enjoy paying the student loan debt off with minimum wage. What a blessing it is to send our kids to college, NOT!


I was under the impression that the cost of tuition today was so high because of government funding cuts...to public universities at least.

WORD!

The school I'm going to just had a 10% tuition hike directly related to funding cuts. This was after eating a funding cut last year and not raising tuition.

I have plenty of problems with higher ed, the idea that everyone needs a degree, the dumbing down of the curriculum (directly related to the first point), and a host of other things, but abundance of student loans is not among them.


It's a big problem, artificially raising demand causes the prices go up. It's the same reason the housing market got as inflated as it did and like the housing market, this bubble is going to burst eventually.


Too many students might be raising tuition because there are more folks consuming the same limited/shrinking resources.

However, cutting off access to student loans is not a reasonable solution. It's simply a way to preserve a repressive class order by making sure that only wealthy people have access to higher education.

As I said before, SMART PEOPLE should be getting degrees, NOT RICH PEOPLE, and NOT POOR PEOPLE.


Neither is saddling these kids with 30k-100k+ in debt for degrees that becoming increasingly worthless. If the demand fell, prices would naturally fall as well and then maybe education would actually be affordable.