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Hazelwudi
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09 Oct 2006, 5:55 am

Since when was wanting to turn the clock back to 1950 a logical or rational thing to do? If anything, it is quite the reverse.



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09 Oct 2006, 9:38 am

There are several people here who are (or were, if they left) very liberal (far left). I think people with AS tend to lean more toward the liberal side of things (but then again, so does a lot of the general population...), but there are aspies who have all sorts of differing political views.

The Republican Party is the other side of the Democratic Party...

Snake321- If nothing else, then the last six of the Ten Commandments should be allowed to be on court grounds. These do not have anything to do directly with God or religion or Christianity. They are rules for moral living... and many of them have found their way into federal and/or state laws. The rest of them come down to treating others how you want to be treated, which is a fundamental rule for people who want to get along with one another.

A decent way to solve the evolution thing would be to either offer an optional class on evolution for science credit or to offer it and intelligent design simultaneously in a class. Present all the evidence for and against each theory and let the students decide for themselves. By high school, or even middle school, students should be able to do that... and that's a good time for them to really find out what they believe in and why.

Bible studies should never be mandatory. If something is mandatory and someone doesn't want to participate, it's likely that this person will disrupt others who want to participate. An option for Bible study should be left open (as should options for studying the holy books for any other religion) and made available, but this should never be forced on students.


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09 Oct 2006, 10:55 am

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Ironically, Sweden is a very leftwing socialist country. It has very high tax system and quality of living, for the average sweetish, is very good. It is hard to get really rich in Sweden but it is easier to stay out of poverty. I guess the worst kind of government is one that forgets to run the country like a business.


It's hard to get rich in Sweden if you were "poor" from the beginning. On the other hand it's easy to stay rich if you were born rich. There are, of course, exceptions. The Swede Percy Barnevik, who actually grew up in my home town, was a son of a printer and was looked upon as some village idiot when he was a teenager. Now he's one of the richest people in the world.

But it's easier to stay out of real poverty, at least yet. But the new government is a rightwing one, claiming that they will be taking care of the less fortunate better than the social democrats did. It's hard for me to believe them.


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09 Oct 2006, 12:19 pm

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How is Sweden able to afford to keep such a high level of welfare? From what I understand, Norway also maintains a high level of payouts, but can only afford to do so by the government's sale of oil and gas reserves from the North and Barents Seas. In a way, it'll be interesting to see whether Norwegian society can survive as is, if technology advances far enough to reduce worldwide demand for fossil fuels.

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Norway and Sweden both have relatively liberal governments compared to that in the United States. It's interesting that when we think of most AS folks as being left-wing from an American point of view, they are probably centrist or possibly even right-wing in Scandinavia! :!:



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09 Oct 2006, 6:24 pm

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The_Innocent_Bystander (who made that post) I think is really Jack Werbert Jnr using a pseudonym. I wouldn't take is seriously.


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09 Oct 2006, 8:02 pm

Namiko wrote:
There are several people here who are (or were, if they left) very liberal (far left). I think people with AS tend to lean more toward the liberal side of things (but then again, so does a lot of the general population...), but there are aspies who have all sorts of differing political views.

The Republican Party is the other side of the Democratic Party...

Snake321- If nothing else, then the last six of the Ten Commandments should be allowed to be on court grounds. These do not have anything to do directly with God or religion or Christianity. They are rules for moral living... and many of them have found their way into federal and/or state laws. The rest of them come down to treating others how you want to be treated, which is a fundamental rule for people who want to get along with one another.

A decent way to solve the evolution thing would be to either offer an optional class on evolution for science credit or to offer it and intelligent design simultaneously in a class. Present all the evidence for and against each theory and let the students decide for themselves. By high school, or even middle school, students should be able to do that... and that's a good time for them to really find out what they believe in and why.

Bible studies should never be mandatory. If something is mandatory and someone doesn't want to participate, it's likely that this person will disrupt others who want to participate. An option for Bible study should be left open (as should options for studying the holy books for any other religion) and made available, but this should never be forced on students.



No, the 10 commandments should not be on the court grounds, those are specifically a sign of the Christian view of morality, not all-inclusive. One person's morals may not be the same as another persons, and we live in a country with many different religions (rather you like it or not). You couldn't be more blatant if you had a statue of jesus christ waving the American flag. Your religion does not entitle you to special rights, and just because someone stands up for religious equality for other beliefs does not mean theyr attacking your religion. I'm sure if the Buddhist scriptures were planted on the court grounds you'd be playing a far different tune. My conclusion, grow up, people have a right to believe what they want to and to also have the same rights you do. This does not make them less moral either.



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09 Oct 2006, 9:02 pm

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No, the 10 commandments should not be on the court grounds, those are specifically a sign of the Christian view of morality, not all-inclusive. One person's morals may not be the same as another persons, and we live in a country with many different religions (rather you like it or not). You couldn't be more blatant if you had a statue of jesus christ waving the American flag. Your religion does not entitle you to special rights, and just because someone stands up for religious equality for other beliefs does not mean theyr attacking your religion. I'm sure if the Buddhist scriptures were planted on the court grounds you'd be playing a far different tune. My conclusion, grow up, people have a right to believe what they want to and to also have the same rights you do. This does not make them less moral either.


If we follow this principle to a T, then a cannibal from Papou New Guinae can and should be allowed behead you and eat you for breakfast.

On the other hand, the entire nation could follow very strictly the moral laws of Islam and behead and those who refuse to join that religion.

You have two opposite extremes, very liberal and very conservative. Neither of them are pretty. The best approach is to seek a middle ground.



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09 Oct 2006, 9:23 pm

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A decent way to solve the evolution thing would be to either offer an optional class on evolution for science credit or to offer it and intelligent design simultaneously in a class. Present all the evidence for and against each theory and let the students decide for themselves. By high school, or even middle school, students should be able to do that... and that's a good time for them to really find out what they believe in and why.

Intelligent design is not a testable theory, thus is not science. Sure evolution is a theory, but at least there is tangible evidence from fossil records.



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10 Oct 2006, 12:28 am

Yeah I agree, we should seek a mid ground... The problem is that in a party system, if there is only 1 mid ground party (talking hypothetically if we had a 3rd party), there is only 1 real logical choice that would make since... Technically then, the loyalist of ass-backwards political parties (conservatives and liberals) would technically still be allowed to vote for their respective parties, but those with a brain would only have 1 real option.
Honestly I think we need more parties, instead of choosing between 2 candidates, we should be choosing between atleast 5 or 6 candidates all from different parties. This would mean the libertarians, the independants, the green party (even though I can't stand them), they'd all have to rise up from the political gutters and become something more than what they are (this is not likely to happen atleast for a very very long time, if ever).



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21 Oct 2006, 6:01 pm

snake321 wrote:
Honestly I think we need more parties, instead of choosing between 2 candidates, we should be choosing between atleast 5 or 6 candidates all from different parties. This would mean the libertarians, the independants, the green party (even though I can't stand them), they'd all have to rise up from the political gutters and become something more than what they are (this is not likely to happen atleast for a very very long time, if ever).

Yeah there was a bit of a shot when Nader was up, if he had gotten 5% of the vote he would have gotten some special funding or something (I don't remember the details, but I know that 5% of the vote would have given him some kind of foothold). There probably won't be many opportunities for something like that in a long while... anyone who believes in voting for a 3rd party is going to be too focussed on voting out the republicans for a while now... :|



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22 Oct 2006, 6:47 am

Namiko wrote:

A decent way to solve the evolution thing would be to either offer an optional class on evolution for science credit or to offer it and intelligent design simultaneously in a class.


Since intelligent design is not based on science, then other non scientific viewpoint should also be acceptable like the flying spegetti monster theories.



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22 Oct 2006, 12:46 pm

I have a funny feeling the governments that happen to be islamic, and the islamic religion, are getting mixed up quite often..

Yes they've made certain rules that allow them to kill, maim, and hurt.. Stating its for islam.

But it doesn't mean the islamic faith is based on killing those that disobey, does it?


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22 Oct 2006, 2:37 pm

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I have a funny feeling the governments that happen to be islamic, and the islamic religion, are getting mixed up quite often..

Yes they've made certain rules that allow them to kill, maim, and hurt.. Stating its for islam.

But it doesn't mean the islamic faith is based on killing those that disobey, does it?


I would think that there's a very fine line between saying that it's Islamic government policy as opposed to Islamic religious policy. Government policy relevant to religion is supposedly based ultimately on an interpretation of the Koran. But Islamic faith depends on what the Koran actually says, and this in turn is totally dependent on its interpretation.

It's kind of like asking the question about whether Christian fundamentalism in American public policy and Christian faith really are based on the Bible... or are they based on extrapolations of extrapolations of the Bible? :?



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22 Oct 2006, 3:46 pm

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At work I was trying to explain to them how I see NTs from a viewpoint as an Aspie. Then I though of Islam and how they, just like NTs don’t like any criticism of their belief, what they think they know is the truth of the universe. Then I thought about the other side ,The Republican party, I done a google search and I found this.


As a Christian, I do not affiliate myself with any party one way or the other but vote for the candidate which comes nearest to my own Christian values. If I had to choose a party that comes closest to my values, it probably would be the Republican party, however.


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22 Oct 2006, 5:12 pm

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Aspie_Chav wrote:
At work I was trying to explain to them how I see NTs from a viewpoint as an Aspie. Then I though of Islam and how they, just like NTs don’t like any criticism of their belief, what they think they know is the truth of the universe. Then I thought about the other side ,The Republican party, I done a google search and I found this.


As a Christian, I do not affiliate myself with any party one way or the other but vote for the candidate which comes nearest to my own Christian values. If I had to choose a party that comes closest to my values, it probably would be the Republican party, however.


Oh just F*#king great!! ! just keep it up and we'll have a theocracy in no time!! !


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22 Oct 2006, 7:56 pm

get real, you all vote your wallets and the people feeding off others pretend they vote on some moral issues, when the real story is they are leeches sucking off other people.

the democrap party is just armed thugs out robbing hard working citizens and turning over a small part of the take to the people who vote for them, something called administration costs make most of the money they steal vanish before it gets to those they pretend to help.AKA lazy leeches and various types of morons who can't manage their own money and are always broke because they are morons.

It this wasn't some warm & fuzzy forum with sensative people I would spell it out a little more, but I don't want to hurt anyones feelings.