31 Oct 2011, 6:59 pm
femme
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31 Oct 2011, 7:06 pm
Lecks wrote:
femme wrote:
Your good but did you know?
Lilith’s relationship with Adam is a different matter. Their conflict is one of patriarchal authority versus matriarchal desire for emancipation, and the warring couple cannot reconcile. They represent the archetypal battle of the sexes. Neither attempts to solve their dispute or to reach some kind of compromise where they take turns being on top (literally and figuratively). Man cannot cope with woman’s desire for freedom, and woman will settle for nothing less. In the end, they both lose.
Lilith’s relationship with Adam is a different matter. Their conflict is one of patriarchal authority versus matriarchal desire for emancipation, and the warring couple cannot reconcile. They represent the archetypal battle of the sexes. Neither attempts to solve their dispute or to reach some kind of compromise where they take turns being on top (literally and figuratively). Man cannot cope with woman’s desire for freedom, and woman will settle for nothing less. In the end, they both lose.
Adam was decreed to be dominant by Yahweh, it was not Adam's will to place Lilith under him. He followed his creator's commands, while Lilith defied them and was therefore punished.
That is the nature of her story, it's yet another instance of "obey your God or be damned".
The story of Lilith might have been parody that never represented true rabbinic thought. It may have served as lewd entertainment for rabbinic students and the public, but it was largely unacknowledged by serious scholars of the time.
But what you said is the truth Lecks
31 Oct 2011, 7:11 pm
femme wrote:
The story of Lilith might have been parody that never represented true rabbinic thought. It may have served as lewd entertainment for rabbinic students and the public, but it was largely unacknowledged by serious scholars of the time.
But what you said is the truth Lecks
But what you said is the truth Lecks
Well you said it yourself in the OP, Lilith was just another myth from one religion integrated into another. Whatever message the original had was distorted into yet another diatribe.
I just think there are better feminist symbols available.
31 Oct 2011, 7:12 pm
Lecks wrote:
femme wrote:
The story of Lilith might have been parody that never represented true rabbinic thought. It may have served as lewd entertainment for rabbinic students and the public, but it was largely unacknowledged by serious scholars of the time.
But what you said is the truth Lecks
But what you said is the truth Lecks
Well you said it yourself in the OP, Lilith was just another myth from one religion integrated into another. Whatever message the original had was distorted into yet another diatribe.
I just think there are better feminist symbols available.
True, but she tried her best at least. I just think she went a bit over the top.
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31 Oct 2011, 7:13 pm
It's hard to believe we are related femme sister darling their are plenty of other feminist symbols in the world like Wonder Woman she rocks 
31 Oct 2011, 7:15 pm
Gedrene wrote:
Lecks wrote:
Well you said it yourself in the OP, Lilith was just another myth from one religion integrated into another. Whatever message the original had was distorted into yet another diatribe.
I just think there are better feminist symbols available.
I just think there are better feminist symbols available.
True, but she tried her best at least. I just think she went a bit over the top.
People can do strange things when defying their god.
Joker wrote:
It's hard to believe we are related femme sister darling their are plenty of other feminist symbols in the world like Wonder Woman she rocks
Actually, one of Wonder Woman's weaknesses is that she loses all of her powers when bound by a man...so, yeah not a good symbol either.
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31 Oct 2011, 7:17 pm
I prefer Eve over Lilith
31 Oct 2011, 7:42 pm
Joker wrote:
I prefer Eve over Lilith
Adam may not have.
When Cain killed Abel Adam left Eve for 128 years, because he could not bear to have another child die.
during that time Lillith (and another Female entity Naamah)
visited him at night and had hundreds of children by him.
31 Oct 2011, 8:04 pm
31 Oct 2011, 8:08 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
Joker wrote:
I prefer Eve over Lilith
Adam may not have.
When Cain killed Abel Adam left Eve for 128 years, because he could not bear to have another child die.
during that time Lillith (and another Female entity Naamah)
visited him at night and had hundreds of children by him.
This would actually make for a pretty decent movie, if it wasn't so deeply rooted in religion. As it is though, a movie would recieve too much bad press if told accurately.
It has a love triangle, an oppressive ruler, the potential of real emotional turmoil and development by the characters (if explored) and a melancholic conclusion (which I like). I'd watch it.
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31 Oct 2011, 8:51 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.
Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?
Stop it, JV, you're going to give everyone a headache if you make us get into this.
