Lincoln Douglas Debate on C-Span

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I like this debate, except for the fact that is wasn't really a debate.

A debate is when two people are on opposite sides. Essentially, they both agreed with each other most of the time, and refused to debate each other, when the opportunities came about.

I like both Cain and Gingrich. It seems that Cain certainly doesn't have a strong grasp of several vital political issues, and Newt had more facts at his disposal, though he has the charisma that Gingrich lacks.

Debates where people disagree with each other are rarely friendly.
And friendly debates, people rarely disagree with each other.

How about a REAL debate where people can disagree, but in a civil manner?

Debates can be about two people with similar stances over the minute parts where they differ.

Remember, Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain are both conservatives, you would see a sharp contrast in world views if one of them was debating Obama.

I am referring to Newt's decision not to discuss 999. In the previous GOP debate, he had some vague criticisms of it, so it would only make sense to follow up on it. Here would have been the perfect place to compare Newt's idea of targeted tax cuts and Cain's idea of 999.

The problem with Newt, as i've stated before is that he is too much of a wingman for the GOP rather than a standalone candidate. He did step out of his shell by deciding actually debate Romney on health care (and it is important to note that Newt uses facts rather than emotional appeals or name calling), so I hope Newt debates against the Tea Party candidates, the ones who are cutting into his votes.

The Debate was solely about entitement spending though, not taxes, both candidates have been invited on Hannity to have a debate on other issues which is where the 999 plan would come up.



I think Newt is going to be going up in the polls along with Herman Cain, whom was the only one with the guts to go 1 on 1 against Newt.

"Actually it is more of the fact you don't have a point, if Herman Cain was really as clueless as you say he was, Godfather's Pizza would have been ran into the ground under his leadership, not made into a success story. "

This is a joke right? You're not seriously equating running a 4th rate pizza chain with the knowledge needed to manage the fiscal and monetary policy of United States are you? Getting a new secret sauce or advertising slogan is hardly applicable to being president of the most powerful nation on earth. Maybe it could win him an election I suppose, since all he has to do is convince enough stupid people to vote him. He's not much different than Obama in that regard.

l He is clueless on almost everything, even in this "debate" with Gingrich he'd pass the question off to Newt to answer first because he had no idea what the hell they were talking about. If running a business is all you care about then why do you dislike Mitt Romney again? He was a lot better businessman actually. Warren Buffet is even better yet businessman, are you a big fan of him?

Yes, I do recall the protests a few years ago. They're not happy living under theocracy, they still hate the US tho. Kinda like the protests in the Arab World this year.

Iran isn't one of the biggest terrorist supporters in the world. How many hijackers were from Iran again? Our supposed allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are much bigger supporters of terrorism than measly Iran. The vast majority of Islamic terrorism that I can think of is perpetrated by Sunnis aka not Iranians.

What I said about Iran also applies to North Korea, their primary concern is the the preservation of their regime. They are not suicidal and know that the resumption of war would be the end for them.

We did plenty of business with Gaddafi btw, it was our removal of them from the state-sponsors of terrorism that allowed Libya to open up. It's to bad that raped and murdered Gaddafi instead of giving him a fair trial, I wonder what he'd had to say about all the "terror detainees" he tortur... enhanced interrogated for us. Still have Assad to tell that story I guess.

Iraq didn't have chemical weapons or any WMDs in 2003 when the US invaded and were no threat at all the US. This is a fact. We were bombing Iraq on top of crippling for 10 years leading up to our invasion, they were broken starving nation by 2003 with no offensive or really even defensive capabilities.

Lord Obama had no such experience either. And you can see that from the way he has been mis-managing the country. Hell, Sarah Palin had more practical business experience than the Prince of Darkness. Obama could not run a lemonade stand profitably.

ruvey

^ You are fooling yourself if you think there is going to be any difference between Obama or the republicans in regards to economic policy.

The main difference between republicans and democrats is that legislation-wise it is likely you will see republicans spend extra time removing science programs and adding anti-abortion legislation whilst democrats will spend more time making bills to protect the copyright cartels. Pick your poison.

But if you worry about economic and international policy. Obama has made it very clear that it does not matter who you elect. The Bush Jr. policies will be alive and kicking.

The soviets had nukes, we are all right.

Maybe, just maybe, countries other than the US have the right to have weapons of mass destruction? Knowing your opinions about the world, if you were living in Iran you would be the first to say that you should get nukes.

If you ask me, the solution to the Iran problem is to have an old fashioned coup. Asking other countries not to arm themselves is unrealistic and only feeds nationalism to the anti-US radicals in those countries. "See? Wonder why they are so interested in us not getting armed?".

In this "debate", which one identified with Lincoln and which one with Douglas?

Actually what I said was in response to you saying:



To which I pointed out that Herman Cain actually does know something about economics otherwise he wouldn't have been able to successfully run businesses successfully.

So again, you don't have a point cause you are saying someone that knows how to run a business successfully apparently doesn't know how to get a business to work.



He's not a politician, and there is a reason why I think Gingrich should be on the top of the ticket, so that Cain can learn the ropes as Vice President.

However, there are things that Ron Paul is clueless about that Herman Cain actually does know what he's talking about, and I'm not just talking about Pizza.



No, they really aren't the same. The protests in Iran were genuine, while the ones in the other countries are being backed by Islamic radicals out to set up a kaliphate.



Just cause the most wackos came from one country doesn't mean that country's government is in on it. Iran typically financially backs terrorist activities, and if you'll recall they have already committed a pretty major act of war by trying to assassinate a foreign diplomat in Washington DC.



Never underestimate the insanity of fanatics.



I don't care that Gaddafi got bumped off, I just worry about who will fill the power vacuum.



Mr Hoon said it had first become known from Iraqi PoWs that protective gear had been issued to troops in the south of the country.

But he said fresh evidence turned up over the last few days had proved the regime's willingness to use weapons of mass destruction.

Mr Hoon showed footage of British troops from the Royal Irish Regiment uncovering gas masks and protective suits, said to number more than 100, in a command post in the Rumaila oil field.

US and UK officials have consistently suggested that precautions against chemical and biological attacks among Iraqi soldiers are clear pointers that the regime plans to use such weapons.

Officials argue that precautions were not to counter the threat of coalition attacks, as the Iraqis would know the UK and US forces in the Gulf do not possess chemical and biological weapons.

Mr Hoon said: "We do have evidence that the Iraqi regime is prepared to use weapons of mass destruction.

"We already knew from Iraqi prisoners of war that protective equipment was issued to southern Iraqi divisions.

"British forces have made significant discoveries in recent days which show categorically that Iraqi troops are prepared for the use of such horrific weapons.

"I want to make it clear that any Iraqi commander who sanctions the use of such weapons of mass destruction is committing a war crime and will be held personally responsible for his action."

"Paperwork and other equipment" had been found in the command post search, Chief of Defence Staff Admiral Sir Michael Boyce said.

He added: "This kit is effective, well cared for and in good working order."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2892077.stm

Just cause we haven't found them doesn't mean they weren't there, it wouldn't be surprising if they had been shipped to Syria in all honesty.


Another interesting tidbit is that if I remember correctly, those suits were made in France after the 1st Gulf War.

It is nice when, a) the moderator isn't pitting one against the other with each and every question, and b) the candidates actually get more than 8 minutes each. The next debate has 8 people, I believe. C'mon! I'd rather drop the bottom-performing four right now, just for this next debate, and thus give the remaining candidates more adequate time to make their cases for why they should be president. The bottom performers can participate in every other debate as far as I'm concerned.

And about 999, is it even feasible to implement? I'm not asking about the plan, I'm asking about the magnitude of the change required from the system we have now. How many years would this take?