What is a bigger threat to Western civilization?

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Yes, earlier because its a forward push for more and more control and after a certain point the accomodators get fed up, the line in the sand might not be perfectly tight along a given margin but its there.

At the same time I am speaking from across the pond. Here we already have states who are serious about banning the law-within-a-law notion or the arbitration system that a lot of these types of subcommunities want in order to keep the police out and extend Sharia as they'd chose. I don't know if it's getting any better in Europe, I've heard about the anti-blasphemy laws and stuff like that gives most people here the chills. For all that people rant and rave about America being a white anglo evangelical cowboy country its really very much a melting pot and unlike some particular European examples like France we've also done a great job of integrating Muslims into our process - I think lessening the incentive for ethnic ghettos/burrows has helped a great deal in keeping radical Islam from creating the kind of echo chamber that it has in other places. At the same time I get the impression that Europe is getting distinctly fed up with this kind of thing and is already hoping to move more in a similar direction.

It really isn't. At all.

That sucks. I wonder if the US, Australia, and New Zealand will see an increased immigration from Europe.

The opposition to Sharia is really very muted and is only really coming - in the UK at least - from elements of UKIP, other genuine - i.e. non-Islamised - liberals, secular Muslims and of course Pat Condell. Everyone else is pretending that nothing is happening.

In parts of Europe, though, it's a very different story. Especially in the Netherlands.

Western people.

May I recommend a country that would be ideal for you?



Sure it's very nice and, er, cold at this time of year.

It looks like a penis.

I'd see a doctor.

Or an optician.

Well, I will admit at least that its head of governance essentially is a super-massive tool (albeit he blames leadership on a super-massive deceased tool).

Note that just because someone dislikes Western civilization does not make them some sort of idiotic Totalitarian. Can someone not dislike Middle Eastern Civilizations, from the Persians and the Moors to the Ancient Egyptians and the Turks, Mesoamerican civilization, or its modern descendants, or, what appears to be quite common on this board from my experiences at least, ALL Subsaharan African Civilizations, from the Yoruba and the Shona to the Amhara and the Swahili, and have intelligent reasons why? Does preferring Malayali culture to English culture, as I do, make me a lover of Kim Il-Sung?

Perhaps instead of the DPRK you would prefer Botswana, Turkey or Singapore, Vexcalibur?

The $274 billion + in American wealth that buys Chinese military hardware every year.

It does if you want to bring it down by force or wish to change our way of life, yes, or if you demand special privileges for your bile.

My advice to you would be the same as to our South Asian-born Islamists: find a country that is more to your liking. If you don't like the West, don't live here.

I would say our biggest threats right now are Islamic Extremists and Left-Wing Wackos.

With the far-right nuts (whom make Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck look like a far left individual), everyone knows they are nuts.

Liberals tend to swoon over their far left nuts.

Fact of the matter is, if you study Islam, their religion clearly spells out the goal of conquering the world through violence if need be.

Judaism does not teach that and Christianity does not teach that (not referring to what some crackpots claiming to be pastors/priests/etc. have said).

Our problem has been liberals have been hell bent on making sure that government is picking winners and losers.

Inu is guilty of what we call in anthropology "essentialism". Religious texts do not a person make. Nor are they representative of the whole variety of religious movements affiliated within it.

*sigh

phil777, you are guilty of taking me out of context, deliberately I might add.

I was pointing out the difference in religious texts, Judaism is largely centered on the area that present day Israel is located, they weren't given a license to try to conquer the world.

Then we have the fact that much of the violence we saw with Christianity was quite frankly because people could not read the Bible for themselves and thus believed everything that authority figures stated, chalk that up to illiteracy.

If you look at Muslim scripture, the situation is entirely different, I'm not saying all Muslims are evil or anything of that nature. I'm merely pointing out that their religious text calls for taking over the world where everyone must become Muslim, or submit to become servants and slaves, or die.