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30 Dec 2011, 1:52 pm

It was about states rights, not about slavery.

The south rocks. I'd kill myself if I had to live in the north.

I will poke fun at the south and our ways all day long. Yes, it's funny. But I'd die to defend it.


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30 Dec 2011, 2:08 pm

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Of course, there were multiple reasons for the Civil War but at heart it was largely about slavery but not at all "state's rights" so do not attempt that trick.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics ... wars-cause

ALL states in the CSA were required to be slave states, unlike in the USA. State's rights were just not the cause of the Civil War.

And the so-called poor "whites" who fought for slavery really had far more in common with the African-American slave than the plantation owning elite of the old south.


I'm sorry that wherever you are from, you did not learn history, but were taught to buy in to the Yankee lie about the war.


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30 Dec 2011, 2:11 pm

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30 Dec 2011, 2:21 pm

I think I'm going to bow out of this thread. I will just get mean if I don't.

Most of ya'll are nice people and I don't want to get mean to you.


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30 Dec 2011, 2:52 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
It was about states rights, not about slavery.

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Read your states' own Declarations

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

It was all about slavery. "States Rights" is nothing but a meaningless code-word for "slavery."



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30 Dec 2011, 4:17 pm

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I'd support the South in a civil war. Northerners are far more racist anyway.
In what way?


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30 Dec 2011, 4:55 pm

pandabear wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
It was about states rights, not about slavery.

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Read your states' own Declarations

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

It was all about slavery. "States Rights" is nothing but a meaningless code-word for "slavery."


It was about secession. If no State seceded there would have been no Civil War.

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30 Dec 2011, 5:30 pm

Yes, but the secession was over slavery.



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30 Dec 2011, 5:31 pm

"I love the South. I wouldn't raise my children anyplace else."

--------------- Civil Rights leader Medgar Evers ( slain in 1963)



"You don't love 'because', you love 'despite'."

------------- William Faulkner



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30 Dec 2011, 5:43 pm

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Yes, but the secession was over slavery.


Had those states not seceded slavery would not have been abolished. There were enough of the southron states to assure that a constitutional amendment abolish slavery would not have been passed. The issue was whether slavery would have been permitted in the territories which were not (yet) states. That is what the Kansas Nebraska mini-war was about.

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30 Dec 2011, 6:06 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Yes, but the secession was over slavery.


Had those states not seceded slavery would not have been abolished. There were enough of the southron states to assure that a constitutional amendment abolish slavery would not have been passed. The issue was whether slavery would have been permitted in the territories which were not (yet) states. That is what the Kansas Nebraska mini-war was about.

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That, plus the South getting annoyed with Northern abolitionists, and with the North not being fully cooperative with the Fugitive Slave Law.



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30 Dec 2011, 6:16 pm

The Civil war was over slavery, plain and simple.

My main issues with the south are there is a surplus of uncivilized people of low intelligence residing in the south and the Bible Belt where Religion is all over Politics even more so than the rest of the US.


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30 Dec 2011, 6:35 pm

PM wrote:
The Civil war was over slavery, plain and simple.

My main issues with the south are there is a surplus of uncivilized people of low intelligence residing in the south and the Bible Belt where Religion is all over Politics even more so than the rest of the US.


We don't like you either.


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30 Dec 2011, 8:59 pm

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Yes, but the secession was over slavery.


No secession was a yen for independence. For years the southron states had dominated U.S. politics, With the growth of industrialism and commerce that domination was threatened and would have ceased in due course. The balance of strength and power was shifting north. The southrons had a yen to carve out their own domain of hegemony and power and maybe even invade Mexico again.

There was a lot of Southron Macho at work.

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30 Dec 2011, 9:36 pm

The religious right condoned slavery and called it biblical.



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30 Dec 2011, 10:18 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The religious right condoned slavery and called it biblical.


Back in those days, virtually the entire U.S. was the "religious right".

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