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Janissy
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13 Jan 2012, 3:56 pm

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When a reporter reports what a politician (or anybody) says, they are telling the truth as long as they don't misquote the person. They have reported not on the veracity of the statement, but on the fact that the person said it. The proper place for questioning the veracity of what someone says is in an opinion piece, not a news story. A news story should report merely the fact that they said it.


Is that the responsible course of action?

How quickly does a NYT article that says, "Mitt Romney stated that, 'Obama has made speeches apologizing for America.'," become, "I read in the Times that Obama's apologizing for America?"


It all depends on how the story is framed. If it is framed as a story about things Romney is saying while on the campaign trail and gearing up to oppose Obama, I don't think people will be so quick to mentally omit the "Mitt Romney stated..." part. People do have a tendency to forget who a quote was attributed to (I recall some research about that, but don't recall it well enough to know the google search words). But that was when the story people were reacting to was all about the contents of the quote. If it was a story about things Obama has said about America, that's when people would mentally gloss over that this was a Romney quote. But when it's a story all about Romney in the heat of campaign season, I don't think that's such a danger.


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If you are a critical consumer of news and information, you might well look behind Mr. Romney's statement. But how many readers exercise that same scrutiny? And frankly, how often can any of us do that much digging. Most of us have jobs, families, hobbies, and very, very important television to watch. At some point, I rely on the journals I trust to present the news to me in a fully formed fashion.


I don't have the time to fact check everything either. But the context of the story matters. The context of this story is campaign season and the absurdities politicians say about their election rivals. During campaign season, politicians smear each other. That's just what they do. Knowing that they do that is knowledge that the reader brings to the story.



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13 Jan 2012, 4:17 pm

I think we see this in very similar terms, Janissy. And maybe we have to have faith that people who read newspapers are not quite so simple as I have implied.


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13 Jan 2012, 5:36 pm

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Truth is subjective. More lies are told than could ever be followed up on and fact checked. Deceit is in our very nature, try to abolish it, restrict it, or quell its uprising and you will only be laughed at. Our species sucks.



That is all my own opinion.


hell is other people?


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13 Jan 2012, 6:08 pm

News stories do tend to be incomplete.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 71411.html



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13 Jan 2012, 8:01 pm

snapcap wrote:
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Newspapers try to tell the truth.
That being said there are several sides to each story and in order to achieve a accurate representation of what happened you usually need to do research on several different newspapers that can provide opposite points of view since each of the newspapers try to make its side look like the right one and in order to do so they usually omit some of the facts that make their side look badly.


I don't know about newspapers, but in Canada, news broadcasts must tell the truth.

Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lying During Newscasts


Yey! I was afraid those idiots would ruin what little pride I have in Canada if they were let in. <.<



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14 Jan 2012, 12:03 am

phil777 wrote:
snapcap wrote:
spongy wrote:
Newspapers try to tell the truth.
That being said there are several sides to each story and in order to achieve a accurate representation of what happened you usually need to do research on several different newspapers that can provide opposite points of view since each of the newspapers try to make its side look like the right one and in order to do so they usually omit some of the facts that make their side look badly.


I don't know about newspapers, but in Canada, news broadcasts must tell the truth.

Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lying During Newscasts


Yey! I was afraid those idiots would ruin what little pride I have in Canada if they were let in. <.<

Im not suggesting lying but most newspapers find a way to evade certain details that´d make whatever side they have taken look bad without having to lie.


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