Downloading yourself into a computer
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doordoctor wrote:
as long as after a brain transplant that the info in computer gets downloaded back to the brain, maybe
Transfer, not transplant (contents of the brain rather than brain itself) and the brain and body were destroyed in this hypothetical, remember. Still, if someone consented there could be a further exchange of your mind with someone downloading their own mind - but where will it end?
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AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
The key word is transfer, rather than copy. I'd rather a transfer of my brain, rather than copying it, and destroying the original...
I have seen you somewhere before mate. Do you work as a engineer in london or something.
His avatar is the Eighth Doctor. It was the Tenth Doctor. Clearly he has found a way to reverse the regeneration process, and so has no need to download his consciousness. He would have gone from being merely very long lived, with thirteen lives - original one, already long in comparison with human lives, plus twelve regenerations - to being immortal (unless there is a limit to the process). Anyway, timelords already vastly outlast the paltry three centuries extra the minature robot has in addition to the original seven decades in the human body. I think immortality would be spoiling them especially as most of them other than the Doctor are either detached non-interventionists (most remaining on Gallifrey, or rather now not remaining since Last Great Time War) or downright evil (the Master, the Rani, ultimately, though perhaps not originally Borusa, debatably Mortimus/the Monk/Time Meddler, the whole High Council of Gallifrey from Trial of a Timelord. And Azmael/Edgeworth acted wrongly at times. And some written rather than televised, sources claim that even Romana in her third incarnation and ensuing Presidency turned sort of evil, though this stretches credibility rather. Not to mention between the Doctor's penultimate and final incarnations some side effect of the regeneration is going to bring into being a distillation of his evil side known as the Valeyard, who will then (or earlier depending on your point of view) be brought back in time by a more than usually corrupt High Council to act as prosecution at the Sixth Doctor's trial - what ever happened to/will happen to him ie Valeyard ? - not many lives to go for the Doctor). Sorry about the long post.
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How much Doctor Who have you read?
I don't think the third Romana is canonical in this new TV series. I say (in my opinion) the BBC EDAs lead up to Scream of the Shalka, and Big Finish's adventures lead into the TV series.
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Quatermass wrote:
AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
The key word is transfer, rather than copy. I'd rather a transfer of my brain, rather than copying it, and destroying the original...
I have seen you somewhere before mate. Do you work as a engineer in london or something.
His avatar is the Eighth Doctor. It was the Tenth Doctor. Clearly he has found a way to reverse the regeneration process, and so has no need to download his consciousness. He would have gone from being merely very long lived, with thirteen lives - original one, already long in comparison with human lives, plus twelve regenerations - to being immortal (unless there is a limit to the process). Anyway, timelords already vastly outlast the paltry three centuries extra the minature robot has in addition to the original seven decades in the human body. I think immortality would be spoiling them especially as most of them other than the Doctor are either detached non-interventionists (most remaining on Gallifrey, or rather now not remaining since Last Great Time War) or downright evil (the Master, the Rani, ultimately, though perhaps not originally Borusa, debatably Mortimus/the Monk/Time Meddler, the whole High Council of Gallifrey from Trial of a Timelord. And Azmael/Edgeworth acted wrongly at times. And some written rather than televised, sources claim that even Romana in her third incarnation and ensuing Presidency turned sort of evil, though this stretches credibility rather. Not to mention between the Doctor's penultimate and final incarnations some side effect of the regeneration is going to bring into being a distillation of his evil side known as the Valeyard, who will then (or earlier depending on your point of view) be brought back in time by a more than usually corrupt High Council to act as prosecution at the Sixth Doctor's trial - what ever happened to/will happen to him ie Valeyard ? - not many lives to go for the Doctor). Sorry about the long post.
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How much Doctor Who have you read?
I don't think the third Romana is canonical in this new TV series. I say (in my opinion) the BBC EDAs lead up to Scream of the Shalka, and Big Finish's adventures lead into the TV series.
I have read very little of Doctor Who novels, unlike some other series of novels. Most of the information, with the exception of Romana's fall from grace and Mortimus' name, was from the television series (classic Doctor Who episodes were replayed here in Australia relatively recently, and we have also had the first two seasons of the new Doctor Who). I only "know," if one can apply the verb to non-canonical information about Doctor Who, about Romana's apparent volte-face because at one time I was eagerly looking up information on Doctor Who websites. I am pleased if it is not canonical. Do you know if any other timelords will be returning? I hear the Sontarans may be in third season, following on from the returns of the Daleks and Cybermen. I know the timelords are supposed to have been destroyed with the exception of the Doctor in the Great Time War, (in the new series timeline) but would not many renegade timelords like the Rani and the Master (endlessly resourceful in terms of narrow scrapes with death, both of them - alright we have less evidence on the Rani's resilience, but she was looking likely to continue the tradition) have been away from Gallifrey at the time, or else be able to contrive an escape? Apologies for any spoilers.
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a) Would you choose to go ahead with this procedure?
No, when Death comes I intend to look her in the eye. No cowering for me. Besides, I like my sense of touch, smell and taste, couldn't go on without them. Nor without being able to touch anyone.
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b) Would you still be a human being, mentally speaking, after your brain's information had been transferred to the robot?
As long as Sapience is maintained your human.
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c) Would you still be a human being, spiritually speaking, after your brain's information had been transferred to the robot? In other words, would you still have a soul?
There is no such thing as a "soul". Human's are the electoral reactions between their neurons. When the electrical reaction is lost you are dead. When the machinery gives out the show ends.
You no longer exist. Period
Though transferring you to another body keeps you "alive".
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I think it's a pretty cool idea, and I'd do it in a heartbeat.
And if you want to read a really good science-fiction novel that addresses almost that very idea, get ahold of Robert J. Sawyer's novel "Mindscan". It's about a guy with a terminal illness who gets his mind scanned and downloaded into an android body, and it explores some of the ramifications. Highly recommended.
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AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
The key word is transfer, rather than copy. I'd rather a transfer of my brain, rather than copying it, and destroying the original...
I have seen you somewhere before mate. Do you work as a engineer in london or something.
His avatar is the Eighth Doctor. It was the Tenth Doctor. Clearly he has found a way to reverse the regeneration process, and so has no need to download his consciousness. He would have gone from being merely very long lived, with thirteen lives - original one, already long in comparison with human lives, plus twelve regenerations - to being immortal (unless there is a limit to the process). Anyway, timelords already vastly outlast the paltry three centuries extra the minature robot has in addition to the original seven decades in the human body. I think immortality would be spoiling them especially as most of them other than the Doctor are either detached non-interventionists (most remaining on Gallifrey, or rather now not remaining since Last Great Time War) or downright evil (the Master, the Rani, ultimately, though perhaps not originally Borusa, debatably Mortimus/the Monk/Time Meddler, the whole High Council of Gallifrey from Trial of a Timelord. And Azmael/Edgeworth acted wrongly at times. And some written rather than televised, sources claim that even Romana in her third incarnation and ensuing Presidency turned sort of evil, though this stretches credibility rather. Not to mention between the Doctor's penultimate and final incarnations some side effect of the regeneration is going to bring into being a distillation of his evil side known as the Valeyard, who will then (or earlier depending on your point of view) be brought back in time by a more than usually corrupt High Council to act as prosecution at the Sixth Doctor's trial - what ever happened to/will happen to him ie Valeyard ? - not many lives to go for the Doctor). Sorry about the long post.
............
How much Doctor Who have you read?
I don't think the third Romana is canonical in this new TV series. I say (in my opinion) the BBC EDAs lead up to Scream of the Shalka, and Big Finish's adventures lead into the TV series.
I have read very little of Doctor Who novels, unlike some other series of novels. Most of the information, with the exception of Romana's fall from grace and Mortimus' name, was from the television series (classic Doctor Who episodes were replayed here in Australia relatively recently, and we have also had the first two seasons of the new Doctor Who). I only "know," if one can apply the verb to non-canonical information about Doctor Who, about Romana's apparent volte-face because at one time I was eagerly looking up information on Doctor Who websites. I am pleased if it is not canonical. Do you know if any other timelords will be returning? I hear the Sontarans may be in third season, following on from the returns of the Daleks and Cybermen. I know the timelords are supposed to have been destroyed with the exception of the Doctor in the Great Time War, (in the new series timeline) but would not many renegade timelords like the Rani and the Master (endlessly resourceful in terms of narrow scrapes with death, both of them - alright we have less evidence on the Rani's resilience, but she was looking likely to continue the tradition) have been away from Gallifrey at the time, or else be able to contrive an escape? Apologies for any spoilers.
Romana is a good President unti,she regenrates, and the EDA Time War occurs (which is far more complex and interesting). In the EDA Time War....
Spoilers here-Highlight if you dare wrote:
The Doctor is forced to destroy Gallifrey when Faction Paradox invades it. However, in order to "save" Gallifrey in one form or another, he downloads the Matrix, compressed, into his own brain, although he has to get rid of his own memories in the process. For more, see the books "Interference", "The Ancestor Cell", and "The Gallifrey Chronicles".
In this next series, the Sontarans do not actually return, to the best of my knowledge, but there is a very similar species (same armour and helemts, but with rhino heads instead) called the Judoon. The Daleks will return (the Black Dalek wasn't the only one to make an emergency temporal jump at the end of Doomsday), and.....
Spoilers here-Highlight if you dare wrote:
The Face of Boe returns in the third episode, and he speaks the four words that he is meant to pass onto the Doctor before dying. The Master is rumoured to return, as Derek Jacobi is playing a character called "the Professor" (Jacobi played the Master in Scream of the Shalka) who is rumoured to regenerate into the Master, as may be played by John Simm. Russell T Davies said that a classic Who monster will make a comeback in series 3, but it won't be the Ice Warriors, as once rumoured.
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