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11 Mar 2012, 8:11 pm

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Vigilans is quite right. The Green Party of Canada has more support in Western Canada than the Western Blockheads.

Although, to be fair, that's mostly because of British Columbia.


So? Quite a few Western Blockheads come from eastern BC.


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11 Mar 2012, 8:22 pm

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Vigilans is quite right. The Green Party of Canada has more support in Western Canada than the Western Blockheads.

Although, to be fair, that's mostly because of British Columbia.


So? Quite a few Western Blockheads come from eastern BC.

True, I'm just saying that the Greens don't have very strong support (I'm speaking relatively here--this is the Green Party after all) in the prairie provinces. It was more of an off-hand comment than anything, without much thought behind it.



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11 Mar 2012, 8:57 pm

I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.



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11 Mar 2012, 9:06 pm

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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.


Why? lol. What benefit would there be to anybody?


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11 Mar 2012, 9:14 pm

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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.


Why? lol. What benefit would there be to anybody?


The US government is corrupt, the Canadian government is becoming more corrupt and like the US government every day. Don't you think we could take better care of business at home?



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11 Mar 2012, 9:29 pm

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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.


Why? lol. What benefit would there be to anybody?


The US government is corrupt, the Canadian government is becoming more corrupt and like the US government every day. Don't you think we could take better care of business at home?


No, because the governments are virtually irrelevant anyway, it is bankers and corporations that matter, and they do not care about borders, the economic corruption will not change at all. If anything it will get worse as corporations insinuate themselves even more deeply into the new political systems of the new American and Canadian republics. Also say hello to increased foreign exploitation and a much weaker standing internationally for everybody in North America, and possibly an economic depression as the new currencies struggle to achieve relevance


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12 Mar 2012, 3:36 am

Vigilans wrote:
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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.


Why? lol. What benefit would there be to anybody?


The US government is corrupt, the Canadian government is becoming more corrupt and like the US government every day. Don't you think we could take better care of business at home?


No, because the governments are virtually irrelevant anyway, it is bankers and corporations that matter, and they do not care about borders, the economic corruption will not change at all. If anything it will get worse as corporations insinuate themselves even more deeply into the new political systems of the new American and Canadian republics. Also say hello to increased foreign exploitation and a much weaker standing internationally for everybody in North America, and possibly an economic depression as the new currencies struggle to achieve relevance


In a free Cascadia we will kick out the corporations. :D



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12 Mar 2012, 3:51 am

donnie_darko wrote:
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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.


Why? lol. What benefit would there be to anybody?


The US government is corrupt, the Canadian government is becoming more corrupt and like the US government every day. Don't you think we could take better care of business at home?


No, because the governments are virtually irrelevant anyway, it is bankers and corporations that matter, and they do not care about borders, the economic corruption will not change at all. If anything it will get worse as corporations insinuate themselves even more deeply into the new political systems of the new American and Canadian republics. Also say hello to increased foreign exploitation and a much weaker standing internationally for everybody in North America, and possibly an economic depression as the new currencies struggle to achieve relevance


In a free Cascadia we will kick out the corporations. :D


What institutions (economic and otherwise) will replace corporations in a free Cascadia?



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12 Mar 2012, 6:40 am

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What institutions (economic and otherwise) will replace corporations in a free Cascadia?


Easy. Cooperatives.



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12 Mar 2012, 9:37 am

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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.

Um, what about Atlantic Canada? Where do we fit in?



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12 Mar 2012, 10:14 am

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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.

Um, what about Atlantic Canada? Where do we fit in?

Maritime union? Or new england confederation (not really recommended, as nothing is more important than Massachusetts)



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12 Mar 2012, 10:29 am

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...mmmmhm. If that happened, I'd bet decent money they'd be at war in a week. No real army+massive oil reserves+borders America=new American states :lol:


Thats where your secret alliance with the secessionist Texans comes in.

The Texans will agree to secede from the USA at the same moment you all secede from Canada thus paralyzing Washington and saving you from the US conquest.

Well, I'm sure the American government would be stupid enough to attack without an actual oil site (except offshore, of which we could sink). If that happens, let's put up 2 or more fronts by letting everyone who wants to secede in the alliance just to make the situation a bit overwhelming.



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12 Mar 2012, 12:16 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.


Why? lol. What benefit would there be to anybody?


The US government is corrupt, the Canadian government is becoming more corrupt and like the US government every day. Don't you think we could take better care of business at home?


No, because the governments are virtually irrelevant anyway, it is bankers and corporations that matter, and they do not care about borders, the economic corruption will not change at all. If anything it will get worse as corporations insinuate themselves even more deeply into the new political systems of the new American and Canadian republics. Also say hello to increased foreign exploitation and a much weaker standing internationally for everybody in North America, and possibly an economic depression as the new currencies struggle to achieve relevance


In a free Cascadia we will kick out the corporations. :D


That's unrealistically optimistic. A switch to cooperative business models is something I do support but don't see happening, especially not in weak new nations


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12 Mar 2012, 12:17 pm

Oh and a bunch of new nuclear armed nations sounds fantastic. There will be big disputes over what to do with the nuclear arsenal of America, not to mention the huge conventional stockpiles of military equipment.


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12 Mar 2012, 4:24 pm

A_Landy wrote:
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I think British Columbia should join Oregon, Washington and Idaho and form a Free Cascadia. Alberta, SK and Manitoba could join Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas and form a Prairie Union.

Um, what about Atlantic Canada? Where do we fit in?

Maritime union? Or new england confederation (not really recommended, as nothing is more important than Massachusetts)

A Maritime Union would be a disaster--we have to small a population and not enough resources to support ourselves on our own. And we don't have the tax base to pay for our healthcare. And I don't really want to be dominated by New England.



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12 Mar 2012, 4:24 pm

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No, because the governments are virtually irrelevant anyway, it is bankers and corporations that matter, and they do not care about borders, the economic corruption will not change at all. If anything it will get worse as corporations insinuate themselves even more deeply into the new political systems of the new American and Canadian republics. Also say hello to increased foreign exploitation and a much weaker standing internationally for everybody in North America, and possibly an economic depression as the new currencies struggle to achieve relevance


The experience of the past five years should stand as ample evidence of how wrong you are.

Banking systems in the United States, the United Kingdom, Ireland and Iceland plunged the world into a liquidity crisis. Banks in Canada and in Germany did nothing of the kind. Are banks in Canada and Germany less interested in making a buck? Of course not. Are they wiser? More ethical? No. They are better regulated.

Government makes an enormous difference, and we have the dollar (CAD) to prove it.


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