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22 Mar 2012, 6:42 pm

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Hmmmm............I'm guessing some of you were a lot less emphatic about speaking out against the evil George W.


For the most part I liked George W. Bush as this country's president. He did make some stupid choices, but I don't believe that he intentionally set out to sabotage this nation.



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22 Mar 2012, 6:51 pm

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Hmmmm............I'm guessing some of you were a lot less emphatic about speaking out against the evil George W.


Interesting guess, but you'd be wrong. I dislike Obama as much as I disliked Bush.


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22 Mar 2012, 6:51 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Hmmmm............I'm guessing some of you were a lot less emphatic about speaking out against the evil George W.


For the most part I liked George W. Bush as this country's president. He did make some stupid choices, but I don't believe that he intentionally set out to sabotage this nation.


That was meant more for our liberal brethren.
You know, the ones that compared the Bush administration to the third reich and/or the sith and were actually serious.......



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22 Mar 2012, 6:58 pm

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No soldier regarldess of rank should speak ill of the president he should be shot but then again no one will agree with me because im to radical.


Really people deserve to be shot for talking badly about Obama? that's ridiculous I don't care if they're in the military or not.


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22 Mar 2012, 6:58 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Hmmmm............I'm guessing some of you were a lot less emphatic about speaking out against the evil George W.


Interesting guess, but you'd be wrong. I dislike Obama as much as I disliked Bush.


same here.


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22 Mar 2012, 6:59 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Hmmmm............I'm guessing some of you were a lot less emphatic about speaking out against the evil George W.


For the most part I liked George W. Bush as this country's president. He did make some stupid choices, but I don't believe that he intentionally set out to sabotage this nation.


I just feel sorry for him, he seemed so bloody clueless about everything.


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22 Mar 2012, 7:06 pm

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Joker wrote:
No soldier regarldess of rank should speak ill of the president he should be shot but then again no one will agree with me because im to radical.


Really people deserve to be shot for talking badly about Obama? that's ridiculous I don't care if they're in the military or not.


No solider should ever bad mouth the commander in chief no madder who the president is at least they should make them take thirty lashes like they did to johnny rico in the movie starship troopers,



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22 Mar 2012, 7:08 pm

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Wait, the military is not a democracy? I'm confused.

The President is the Commander in Chief. Soldiers don't get a free pass to mouth off about their commanders. Even the perception of that has cost generals their jobs. I don't imagine Sgts are immune.


I don't think wanting to defend the constitution and not having a good opinion of obama, and mouthing off are the same thing.


He's a low brow wingnut who doesnt have the brains to follow orders from his direct superiors. It's a Darwin Award in the making.

They should put him in the same cell with Manning. Those two seem to think that military rules are optional.


I thought the purpose of the military was to defend this country from enemies foreign and domestic more or less......I don't know about anyone else but I'd prefer the military takes the side of the constitution rather then the side of our government that just grows more corrupt and incompetent every day?

You don't want the army rather that the president deciding for things, believe me.


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22 Mar 2012, 7:13 pm

Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
No soldier regarldess of rank should speak ill of the president he should be shot but then again no one will agree with me because im to radical.


Really people deserve to be shot for talking badly about Obama? that's ridiculous I don't care if they're in the military or not.


No solider should ever bad mouth the commander in chief no madder who the president is at least they should make them take thirty lashes like they did to johnny rico in the movie starship troopers,


I'm guessing you haven't served in the armed forces.......
And it's "matter" not "madder".
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22 Mar 2012, 7:19 pm

Raptor wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
No soldier regarldess of rank should speak ill of the president he should be shot but then again no one will agree with me because im to radical.


Really people deserve to be shot for talking badly about Obama? that's ridiculous I don't care if they're in the military or not.


No solider should ever bad mouth the commander in chief no madder who the president is at least they should make them take thirty lashes like they did to johnny rico in the movie starship troopers,


I'm guessing you haven't served in the armed forces.......
And it's "matter" not "madder".
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Oh Raptor your trying to humor me and no I was rasied in a militiary family though and was disciplined military style and still am to this day my brother served in the marines my granfathers faught in Vietnam I plan on joining the Navy the only branch of military no one in my family has served under it what be a wonderbar experience.



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22 Mar 2012, 7:21 pm

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but when the commander and chief earns disrespect then should they be kept silent and not have the freedom of speech they fight for lazy civilians to have?

People in the military are volunteers and understand that they have given up certain of their rights to be in the military. People in the military also know how to show outward respect towards those they know to be incompetent morons. I was in the military, and I could tell you stories about some of these people. Not all of those in charge are idiots, but the ones who are get saluted just like those that are not. They even tell you to salute the uniform if you can't respect the person.

You aren't allowed to disrespect a superior officer or especially the commander-in-chief. You also aren't allowed to associate your uniform with your political views.

The article says he's been in for 9 years. He claims he "was shocked". You don't get to 9 years in without having training on exactly this topic, more than once.


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22 Mar 2012, 7:24 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
but when the commander and chief earns disrespect then should they be kept silent and not have the freedom of speech they fight for lazy civilians to have?

People in the military are volunteers and understand that they have given up certain of their rights to be in the military. People in the military also know how to show outward respect towards those they know to be incompetent morons. I was in the military, and I could tell you stories about some of these people. Not all of those in charge are idiots, but the ones who are get saluted just like those that are not. They even tell you to salute the uniform if you can't respect the person.

You aren't allowed to disrespect a superior officer or especially the commander-in-chief. You also aren't allowed to associate your uniform with your political views.

The article says he's been in for 9 years. He claims he "was shocked". You don't get to 9 years in without having training on exactly this topic, more than once.


I salute this statement.



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22 Mar 2012, 7:34 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
simon_says wrote:
Wait, the military is not a democracy? I'm confused.

The President is the Commander in Chief. Soldiers don't get a free pass to mouth off about their commanders. Even the perception of that has cost generals their jobs. I don't imagine Sgts are immune.


I don't think wanting to defend the constitution and not having a good opinion of obama, and mouthing off are the same thing.


He's a low brow wingnut who doesnt have the brains to follow orders from his direct superiors. It's a Darwin Award in the making.

They should put him in the same cell with Manning. Those two seem to think that military rules are optional.


I thought the purpose of the military was to defend this country from enemies foreign and domestic more or less......I don't know about anyone else but I'd prefer the military takes the side of the constitution rather then the side of our government that just grows more corrupt and incompetent every day?

You don't want the army rather that the president deciding for things, believe me.


I never said that I did, but its not as though either are the ones deciding things so to speak.


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22 Mar 2012, 7:35 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
but when the commander and chief earns disrespect then should they be kept silent and not have the freedom of speech they fight for lazy civilians to have?

People in the military are volunteers and understand that they have given up certain of their rights to be in the military. People in the military also know how to show outward respect towards those they know to be incompetent morons. I was in the military, and I could tell you stories about some of these people. Not all of those in charge are idiots, but the ones who are get saluted just like those that are not. They even tell you to salute the uniform if you can't respect the person.

You aren't allowed to disrespect a superior officer or especially the commander-in-chief. You also aren't allowed to associate your uniform with your political views.

The article says he's been in for 9 years. He claims he "was shocked". You don't get to 9 years in without having training on exactly this topic, more than once.


It does not sound like the person the article was about broke any of the rules.


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22 Mar 2012, 7:36 pm

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Sweetleaf wrote:
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No soldier regarldess of rank should speak ill of the president he should be shot but then again no one will agree with me because im to radical.


Really people deserve to be shot for talking badly about Obama? that's ridiculous I don't care if they're in the military or not.


No solider should ever bad mouth the commander in chief no madder who the president is at least they should make them take thirty lashes like they did to johnny rico in the movie starship troopers,


But you honestly think they should get shot for it? killed for not liking the president?...I mean if the military wants to kick him out over it cool, but no reason to go that far overboard.


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22 Mar 2012, 7:41 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
No soldier regarldess of rank should speak ill of the president he should be shot but then again no one will agree with me because im to radical.


Really people deserve to be shot for talking badly about Obama? that's ridiculous I don't care if they're in the military or not.


No solider should ever bad mouth the commander in chief no madder who the president is at least they should make them take thirty lashes like they did to johnny rico in the movie starship troopers,


But you honestly think they should get shot for it? killed for not liking the president?...I mean if the military wants to kick him out over it cool, but no reason to go that far overboard.


When my granfather served in vietnam when he gave a order and people didnt follow he had them shot it was legal then I guess the worst possible punishment would be make hiim take 30 lashes like Johnny Rico did in the movie Starship Troopers.