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07 Apr 2012, 1:10 pm

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Leave the church and religion behind. Follow Jesus.

Jesus would have spent time with the gay community (if there was one then) and ministered to them, but would have required their repentance to follow him. Just like he did with Mary Magdeline.

Or the Church in Corinth, a city that was a cross between a modern day Las Vegas and San Francisco: there were many ex-gays in that church, but they had to repent, and they were told it was okay to associate with gays and other immoral people (after all, such people were impossible to avoid- especially in Corinth) as long as they did not claim to be Christian.


The context of Paul's letter to the Corinthian church was about homosexual temple prostitution, and how those converts should for their own good sever their ties to their old life.
If you take such passages to be mean that homosexuality is a sin, that is your choice. But I have to ask, how many times does alleged prohibition against homosexuality appear, in comparison to loving your neighbor, or caring for those without? I think fundies and holy rollers have become so obsessed with homosexuality that they have lost sight of loving your fellow human beings.

I agree they should spend more time studying the laws of the bible. Instead of following then like the average fundie.

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10 Apr 2012, 11:14 pm

Social pretense is the enemy here, religion was never thought to be real by any of the people in history. It has always been a conspiracy against minorities and in order to be a perfect system it must begin in childhood which gives it the opportunity to ruin a person's entire life. Better to do without it than to keep it around. Atheism lets everyone be, it is more personal and family oriented than religions and doesn't perpetuate pain the way religion does. As a parent would you want your children to face the potential for a life of pain, or would you want them to be enlightened and ready in no abstract way for the life that awaits them. I would find it unacceptable for my children to be filtered out of society.



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10 Apr 2012, 11:17 pm

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Social pretense is the enemy here, religion was never thought to be real by any of the people in history. It has always been a conspiracy against minorities and in order to be a perfect system it must begin in childhood which gives it the opportunity to ruin a person's entire life. Better to do without it than to keep it around. Atheism lets everyone be, it is more personal and family oriented than religions and doesn't perpetuate pain the way religion does. As a parent would you want your children to face the potential for a life of pain, or would you want them to be enlightened and ready in no abstract way for the life that awaits them. I would find it unacceptable for my children to be filtered out of society.


Hmm I don't agree with that because my religion doesn't cause me pain nor do I go around acting holier then though like most fundies when I say I am a secular christian I mean I keep my faith to myself it is both a culture and family thing but you don't see me making any posts about my faith the way Ragtime does



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10 Apr 2012, 11:24 pm

Joker wrote:
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Social pretense is the enemy here, religion was never thought to be real by any of the people in history. It has always been a conspiracy against minorities and in order to be a perfect system it must begin in childhood which gives it the opportunity to ruin a person's entire life. Better to do without it than to keep it around. Atheism lets everyone be, it is more personal and family oriented than religions and doesn't perpetuate pain the way religion does. As a parent would you want your children to face the potential for a life of pain, or would you want them to be enlightened and ready in no abstract way for the life that awaits them. I would find it unacceptable for my children to be filtered out of society.


Hmm I don't agree with that because my religion doesn't cause me pain nor do I go around acting holier then though like most fundies when I say I am a secular christian I mean I keep my faith to myself it is both a culture and family thing but you don't see me making any posts about my faith the way Ragtime does


Seconded.
Not that I want to beat up on Ragtime, as he's free to express his opinions. Even though I don't agree with him much of the time.

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10 Apr 2012, 11:36 pm

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Joker wrote:
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Social pretense is the enemy here, religion was never thought to be real by any of the people in history. It has always been a conspiracy against minorities and in order to be a perfect system it must begin in childhood which gives it the opportunity to ruin a person's entire life. Better to do without it than to keep it around. Atheism lets everyone be, it is more personal and family oriented than religions and doesn't perpetuate pain the way religion does. As a parent would you want your children to face the potential for a life of pain, or would you want them to be enlightened and ready in no abstract way for the life that awaits them. I would find it unacceptable for my children to be filtered out of society.


Hmm I don't agree with that because my religion doesn't cause me pain nor do I go around acting holier then though like most fundies when I say I am a secular christian I mean I keep my faith to myself it is both a culture and family thing but you don't see me making any posts about my faith the way Ragtime does


Seconded.
Not that I want to beat up on Ragtime, as he's free to express his opinions. Even though I don't agree with him much of the time.

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10 Apr 2012, 11:39 pm

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Love, compassion, guilt, shame—why are the liberals telling people what Christianity truly is? It is a clever but diabolical manipulation of the godless liberals to pull out our heart strings to convince us we should accept "teh ghey." Have liberals ever heard of tough love? Hate the sin, love the sinner. We can't let gay cooties spread and gay up our straight children, leading them straight to Hell.


clearly you're joking.


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11 Apr 2012, 1:07 am

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I found this article courtesy of the Coffee Party's Facebook page and I thought I would share it.

http://www.danoah.com/2011/11/im-christ ... e-gay.html

And the response:

http://www.danoah.com/2012/04/a-teens-b ... e-gay.html

Wow, one article can provoke that much change in a family. I'm beginning to think that some people are starting to see that they were wrong with all this bashing of people that are different. Score for acceptance.

Thoughts and opinions anyone?

They're too feel-good.

If the second article is in fact a true account of events, then I'm glad. But my criticism that the articles are too feel-good stems in part from the fact that, based on personal experience and observation, these kinds of situations often don't end happily, like they did in the articles.

I believe I made mention a while back of a friend of mine who was disowned (college tuition revoked by his parents, among other things) because he came out to them as gay. He is far from the only person I've encountered who has had things like this happen to him within his family.

Can you imagine never seeing your family again for something like this? Your family, with whom you might frequently disagree but to whom you still feel that strong sense of familial love and attachment that you can't help but feel?

And your family would be far from the last people who ostracize you for being who you are.

It happens all the time in the United States. And while I believe that the intentions of Mr. Pearce are good, I doubt that his article will have any measurable impact on the beliefs and behaviors of the people who are the source of the ills about which he writes.


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11 Apr 2012, 1:33 am

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What about gay culture ?


What about it? And why would it concern me anyway?


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