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12 Apr 2012, 6:54 am

You have a good point Angel. There is such a thing as a common grace. I tend to think that explains genius.

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12 Apr 2012, 8:39 am

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Why can't people just accept other peoples beliefs? I am sick and tired of "You're going to burn in hell for eternity!" and "Religious people are so stupid!" Christians and athiests do it just the same. I am also sick of people using TRAGEDIES like SCHOOL SHOOTINGS to say "This is why we need prayer in schools." School shootings happen for many different people! 9/11 happened because of religious intolerance! My own religious beliefs is to find your own path, much like paganism but I don't believe in what they believe.

Well accepting the beliefs of people I don't agree with would mean agreeing, but I certainly do not hate people for their religion, I might think they are wrong about it and I will have some dislike towards them if they try and push it on me. But I don't see someones religion as a reason to hate them.

This is sharp -- especially the bolded part, which is something most people on WrongPlanet don't understand. Most people think you can "accept, but deny" everyone's belief system that isn't your own. It's more often phrased "respect others' beliefs", but it's the same thing. You can't "respect" something you think is wrong. You can feign respect, but that's deceit.

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12 Apr 2012, 8:51 am

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What the faithheads don't understand is that beliefs are disposable. Religious beliefs are no exception. Humankind progress by testing beliefs to destruction.

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12 Apr 2012, 8:56 am

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What the faithheads don't understand is that beliefs are disposable. Religious beliefs are no exception. Humankind progress by testing beliefs to destruction.

Faith seems to have stood up very well to this testing to destruction. In some countries the more persecution the more people join. We're not just talking about Christianity, how about Falun Gong.

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12 Apr 2012, 9:00 am

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What the faithheads don't understand is that beliefs are disposable. Religious beliefs are no exception. Humankind progress by testing beliefs to destruction.

Marvelous progress indeed. The UN spends billions on "curing world hunger". Are they even a tiny bit close to reaching that goal? Again, we're talking billions and billions of dollars, and when you divide that amount among adequate portions of basic food, that should make a HUGE dent in, say, Africa's hunger problem. But it isn't. Not at all. No one should be literally dying of hunger when there's a super-funded agency within the UN dedicated to feeding the hungry. Human progress, FTW! The Bible is right about one thing: people without God are foolish.

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12 Apr 2012, 9:25 am

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Marvelous progress indeed. The UN spends billions on "curing world hunger". Are they even a tiny bit close to reaching that goal?

100 years ago the UN did not exist. Sparing billions of dollars to even try to help people in some remote parts of the Earth was just unthinkable.

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Again, we're talking billions and billions of dollars, and when you divide that amount among adequate portions of basic food, that should make a HUGE dent in, say, Africa's hunger problem. But it isn't. Not at all. No one should be literally dying of hunger when there's a super-funded agency within the UN dedicated to feeding the hungry. Human progress, FTW!

In this case monsy is NOTHING. You can buy a years worth of food in a supermarket for say $1000 does not mean you can buy food for 1 billion people for $1 trillion. Not to mention having the food avaliable is just the beginning of the problem - getting those to the people is the real problem. Supposedly this is done magically in your magical fantasy?

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The Bible is right about one thing: people without God are foolish.

Indeed see what the faithheads are doing: how about opposing contraception so that there are more and more hungry people to feed?

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12 Apr 2012, 9:26 am

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What the faithheads don't understand is that beliefs are disposable. Religious beliefs are no exception. Humankind progress by testing beliefs to destruction.

Faith seems to have stood up very well to this testing to destruction. In some countries the more persecution the more people join. We're not just talking about Christianity, how about Falun Gong.

Foolish people exists.

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12 Apr 2012, 9:38 am

I sense little tolerance for my view that your survivals were perfectly explainable and not in need of divine intervention.
I'm sure we agree that those events were either miracles or not miracles, though. Either god temporarily suspended the laws of physics on your behalf, or not.
This is an area where we have completely conflicting ideas, where we are pretty much equally certain of mutually exclusive explanations.
And that is where the tolerance question comes in.

I was trying to say something to the OP about how his urge to write that post IN THE FIRST PLACE could suggest the reply to his own question. The miracle stuff was just pinned to it.

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12 Apr 2012, 9:40 am

Grebels wrote:

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What the faithheads don't understand is that beliefs are disposable. Religious beliefs are no exception. Humankind progress by testing beliefs to destruction.

Faith seems to have stood up very well to this testing to destruction. In some countries the more persecution the more people join. We're not just talking about Christianity, how about Falun Gong.

So "faith" is strong, no matter if it's right of wrong, and that is somehow good? I assume you don't agree with Falun Gong?

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12 Apr 2012, 9:43 am

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I sense little tolerance for my view that your survivals were perfectly explainable and not in need of divine intervention.

I'm sure we agree that those events were either miracles or not miracles, though. Either god temporarily suspended the laws of physics on your behalf, or not.
This is an area where we have completely conflicting ideas, where we are pretty much equally certain of mutually exclusive explanations.
And that is where the tolerance question comes in.

I was trying to say something to the OP about how his urge to write that post IN THE FIRST PLACE could suggest the reply to his own question. The miracle stuff was just pinned to it.

Survivals?

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12 Apr 2012, 9:45 am

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I sense little tolerance for my view that your survivals were perfectly explainable and not in need of divine intervention.

Survivals?

This was in reply of the two posters above who claimed miraculous intervention saved their lives. I took some time replying. Apologies for messing up the chronology of the thread.

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12 Apr 2012, 9:48 am

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In this case money is NOTHING. You can buy a years worth of food in a supermarket for say $1000 does not mean you can buy food for 1 billion people for $1 trillion. Not to mention having the food avaliable is just the beginning of the problem - getting those to the people is the real problem. Supposedly this is done magically in your magical fantasy?

It certainly is a problem. How much money given to the big business of charity goes to the actual cause is possibly in doubt, but very little seems an appropiate description. The having got past the charity the rest has to go through the usual local channels. Not a lot gets to the final destination. But what this has to do with faith I really don't know.

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12 Apr 2012, 9:50 am

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You can't "respect" something you think is wrong. You can feign respect, but that's deceit.

I can respect your right to be wrong.

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12 Apr 2012, 9:59 am

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Why can't people just accept other peoples beliefs?

Because of this:

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"You're going to burn in hell for eternity!"

...and other things in the same vein. Such as "god hates fags" and "rape pregnancy is a gift from god", which are views that some people are trying to legislate and impose on the entire public. That's why rational people are so horribly "intolerant" of religion.

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Christians and athiests do it just the same.

Damn those intolerant, homophobic anti-choice atheists who picket funerals with their "thank god for dead soldiers" signs and go around telling people that they will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as their savior :lol:

Radicals do not define a belief. Not everything is black and white. I know that a lot of Aspies see things as black and white, and I used to as well, but there are a lot of gray areas in the world. I don't say to respect offensive radicals going around and picketing funerals. I said that if we could get along with moderate religious beliefs, or lack of beliefs, than life would be a lot better.

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12 Apr 2012, 10:40 am

Ha, ha, I didn't think seeing things in black and white, no inbetweens was an aspie thing. English aspies are different and see grey as well. No, sorry, English people are different.

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12 Apr 2012, 10:52 am

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Ragtime wrote:

You can't "respect" something you think is wrong. You can feign respect, but that's deceit.

I can respect your right to be wrong.

Correct.

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