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10 Nov 2006, 6:55 pm

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Fine, nitpick your heart out!

Ok, I have no problems with that. However, I think that nobody has really posted much more I feel the need to address. I would hardly consider inconsistency with approach in a manner as vast as seen here is really nitpicking or splitting hairs.



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10 Nov 2006, 9:21 pm

Always need a good 'counter' argument to look at - Its what makes the other stronger (works both ways)



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10 Nov 2006, 10:32 pm

Well time is measured spatially (because even the vibrations of quartz is spatial movement, and digital clocks use that to determine time), however it doesn't mean it doesn't really exist in some way.

I believe the real nature of time is literally the lawmaker of existence. It's a different type of dimension to spatial existence because it has no spatial value, however it dictates how properties of spatial objects interact with each other.

Our perception of time is only a linear constant of a temporal dimension basically.


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10 Nov 2006, 11:00 pm

The presence of matter "curves" spacetime, and this curvature affects the path of free particles.

Doesn't it follow that spacetime will curve differently depending on all kinds of variables and that time will travel faster and slower in different places depending upon these variables? Like the aircraft skipping along the surface of the atmosphere thing they did, where they showed that if you can get up to a really fast speed, time will pass slower. Maybe they only lost a second, but it's definite proof. Time is definitely "real" and needed. Maybe we don't need it so much now, but the further along we get technologically, the more these theories will become real to us.



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10 Nov 2006, 11:06 pm

Time doesn't exist only NOTHING exist this post i'm typing out,NOTHING.WP,NOTHING.Green day,NOTHING NOTHING IS NOTHING!! !










































































JUST JOKING!! ! time DOES exist...



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11 Nov 2006, 2:22 am

Does time exist??? Hmmmmmmm ask me in an hour........







What a ret*d topic.


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11 Nov 2006, 4:46 am

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When you meditate, time slows down. If the "feeling" of time can be manipulated then does it exist?


My basic opinion, uneducated in any kind of college level physics course thus far, is that time as humans perceive it is a symbolic concept, then yes, for the time being you are free from, say, your clock's time, but when you awaken from meditation, your clock will moving at just the same speed as when you checked it right before you began meditating. In the here and now, for scheduling appointments or performing science projects, time as a universal concept is important, but personal perceptions may change at the meditator's discretion. Sometimes I feel like I've experienced years in a single night's dream.



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11 Nov 2006, 5:29 am

Succinctly put!



Time is a tool.


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11 Nov 2006, 9:28 am

Sometimes it's all too hard.Maybe I'll think about it tomorrow.But does tomorrow really exist because by the time it is tomorrow it is really today!



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11 Nov 2006, 12:08 pm

From my current perspective, time is the result of relative motion between 2 or more objects, measured in accordance with a predetermined ratiometric value. Since gravity effects the rate of motion due to mass effects, it can be said that gravity effects time. Considering this, wouldnt time on Earths moon differ from time on Earth?


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11 Nov 2006, 12:43 pm

The reason I'm sure that time exists is because when I go to sleep it's today, and when I wake up it's tomorrow.



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11 Nov 2006, 1:52 pm

Its like maths..

of course it exists, but its a tool we use to understand reality..

I guess it depends if you decide to differentiate between what you use and the way reality actually is.

Meaning:

Time itself is handy in terms of knowing what I'm doing in reference to humanity, time is pointless in reference to the physics of this world.

Meaning if you're eternally in motion, which you are, time is moving with you, and is therefore nothing but a creation.

Tired, can't word it very well, hopefully the point is made.


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11 Nov 2006, 2:44 pm

McJeff wrote:
The reason I'm sure that time exists is because when I go to sleep it's today, and when I wake up it's tomorrow.


Right "NOW" isnt tomorrow, nor is it 5 minutes ago, nor do those exist. The only thing that exists is NOW. Time is a measurement used to track from the then 'now' to a future 'now' which may or may not have taken place yet

I feel time is more in the mind then the reality. A measurement for your memory. Only now exists but time is constantly now, infinitely now.. does it exist? Examine the moment RIGHT now.

So, in other words, time only exists for you because you picked a passed 'now' and measured against a current 'now' -> the only thing time is is now



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12 Nov 2006, 1:50 am

I understand.

But I could pick any arbitrary point in time, and add to it, and reach another point in time.

Time is like the number system. It has no real beginning or end, but it exists, is measurable, is verifiable.



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20 Nov 2006, 4:19 am

I think that although time can't be directly perceived, we know it exists because motion can only exist in time.



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20 Nov 2006, 4:38 am

Would you rather have your hand stuck into a deep-fat fryer for 5 picoseconds or 5 minutes?

Alternately, stick your hand in the fryer and ask yourself if time exists.

(don't actually do this.)