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28 Apr 2012, 3:42 pm

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We did. And that's why, in large part, many of us (apart from the U.S. Christian headcases) live comfortable, well-adjusted lives rather than obsessing over camels, treating women like slime and gleefully having public executions.


It truly is sad that Muslims are to hot headed to go through a religious reformation so they can stop practiciing parts of their faith that is barbaric.



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28 Apr 2012, 6:03 pm

We must not judge Islam any more harshly than we do our native religions. Catholic priests have ritually sexually abused children. Females are discouraged from becoming priests - almost all the positions of power belong to men. Have we solved those two problems yet? Before we can do that we have no right to point fingers at Islam's treatment of women and children.



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28 Apr 2012, 6:05 pm

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We must not judge Islam any more harshly than we do our native religions. Catholic priests have ritually sexually abused children. Females are discouraged from becoming priests - almost all the positions of power belong to men. Have we solved those two problems yet? Before we can do that we have no right to point fingers at Islam's treatment of women and children.


Many of us atheists really despise those religions too - the Papish religion (the bigoted nonsense over condoms, the child abuse and the Magdalene laundries?) and the Anglican religion of irrelevancy, the "Church of England". "Church of England" my bottom.



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28 Apr 2012, 6:24 pm

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Many of us atheists really despise those religions too - the Papish religion (the bigoted nonsense over condoms, the child abuse and the Magdalene laundries?) and the Anglican religion of irrelevancy, the "Church of England". "Church of England" my bottom.


The Church of England seems a decent church. I myself was baptised in a Methodist church. I remember as young boy going there every Sunday to eat toast. I never had a bad experience there. Later I went to another church for a Sunday school and made good friends there as well as learning some good stories. I'm sure if more people did go to church in this country, there would be a lot less binge drinking, promiscuous sex, violence and youngsters being a nuisance on the streets.

Having said that, the Daily Mail is a rag that inspires people to be greedy with its obsession with celebrities, gossip, beauty and money and isn't fit to do anything with except wipe one's bottom.



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28 Apr 2012, 7:25 pm

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We must not judge Islam any more harshly than we do our native religions. Catholic priests have ritually sexually abused children. Females are discouraged from becoming priests - almost all the positions of power belong to men. Have we solved those two problems yet? Before we can do that we have no right to point fingers at Islam's treatment of women and children.


We can. Muslims are humans to, and I believe human rights apply to everyone. I'm an atheist, so I have no specific responsibility to scrutinise Christianity over any other religion.


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28 Apr 2012, 7:46 pm

I hope its all bs on the Mail's part. What people here need to remember is that ok Egypt is predominantly a Muslim country, the state recognized Christianity and Judaism as officially religions, as well as the faith groups not recognised by the state plus atheists and agnostics.

So I wonder what the other groups made of this, especially the Copts.


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28 Apr 2012, 8:29 pm

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28 Apr 2012, 10:55 pm

All religions have it's problems with a lot of things this is why some religions should go through reformation much like how the proestants did. Also the Catholic Church do not care for Proestants of any kind they view us as non christian we are the same as atheists in their eyes.



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29 Apr 2012, 12:51 am

it appears that this story is untrue:

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDeta ... yid=329047


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29 Apr 2012, 12:58 am

Anti-Islam rhetoric seems to come in two contradictory flavours:

(1.) Modern Islam is barbarous compared to modern Christianity because Christianity went through the Enlightenment and people don't take it so seriously anymore, whereas Islam is still a "young" religion.

(2.) Islam is barbarous compared to Christianity because the Koran and Hadith are full of barbarous nonsense, and Mohammed was a horrible person.

These can't both be true. If you accept (1.), then you have to accept the possibility that Islam can also change to become a liberal wishy-washy religion suited to the modern world. I agree that the Koran and Hadith are full of barbarous nonsense, and I agree that Mohammed was a horrible person. But that can't be why Islam is in its current state. After all, there is a lot of barbarous nonsense in the Bible.



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29 Apr 2012, 1:10 am

Reading this thread, I discussed with my wife the notion of a husband having sex with his wife's corpse. Her incredulous response was, "Why would anyone want to?"
I honestly can't - or don't want - to come up with a reason.

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29 Apr 2012, 2:18 am

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Reading this thread, I discussed with my wife the notion of a husband having sex with his wife's corpse. Her incredulous response was, "Why would anyone want to?"
I honestly can't - or don't want - to come up with a reason.

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Because she is a vampire. Done.


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29 Apr 2012, 9:26 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Reading this thread, I discussed with my wife the notion of a husband having sex with his wife's corpse. Her incredulous response was, "Why would anyone want to?"
I honestly can't - or don't want - to come up with a reason.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Because she is a vampire. Done.


Okay.

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29 Apr 2012, 9:53 am

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Anti-Islam rhetoric seems to come in two contradictory flavours:

(1.) Modern Islam is barbarous compared to modern Christianity because Christianity went through the Enlightenment and people don't take it so seriously anymore, whereas Islam is still a "young" religion.

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From 622 c.e. to the Present 2012 c.e.? Scientology is a young religion. Islam is not.

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29 Apr 2012, 1:06 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Declension wrote:
Anti-Islam rhetoric seems to come in two contradictory flavours:

(1.) Modern Islam is barbarous compared to modern Christianity because Christianity went through the Enlightenment and people don't take it so seriously anymore, whereas Islam is still a "young" religion.

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From 622 c.e. to the Present 2012 c.e.? Scientology is a young religion. Islam is not.

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Scientology can't really be called a religion because a religion has a belief in God a afterlife ect how ever Scientology does not.



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29 Apr 2012, 1:32 pm

Joker wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Declension wrote:
Anti-Islam rhetoric seems to come in two contradictory flavours:

(1.) Modern Islam is barbarous compared to modern Christianity because Christianity went through the Enlightenment and people don't take it so seriously anymore, whereas Islam is still a "young" religion.

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From 622 c.e. to the Present 2012 c.e.? Scientology is a young religion. Islam is not.

ruveyn


Scientology can't really be called a religion because a religion has a belief in God a afterlife ect how ever Scientology does not.


Says who?


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