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07 May 2012, 2:29 pm

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Pure nonsense. You clearly haven't a clue of what Ron Paul stands for and have any understanding of the beliefs of individualism.

If we're going to play this game of smears, I'm surprised you take issue with those bogus quotes considering your countries views on race. It's a permanent stain.


Your not being fair to Crazycatlord btw bringing up Germany's past is not a good way to debate also I am German American I find this distasteful.


All is fair, apparently, when anyone dares say anything that is less than flattering about Mr. Paul.


No it is unfair to bring up past history of dark times of a country that to this day is still paying for it.


Yes, I know. Even someone from modern Germany should be permitted to state his opinion on Ron Paul without being labeled a Nazi.

Some of my ancestors may have done some things of which I am not proud. That doesn't mean that I am not entitled to express an opinion about Ron Paul.



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07 May 2012, 2:52 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Joker wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
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Pure nonsense. You clearly haven't a clue of what Ron Paul stands for and have any understanding of the beliefs of individualism.

If we're going to play this game of smears, I'm surprised you take issue with those bogus quotes considering your countries views on race. It's a permanent stain.


Your not being fair to Crazycatlord btw bringing up Germany's past is not a good way to debate also I am German American I find this distasteful.


All is fair, apparently, when anyone dares say anything that is less than flattering about Mr. Paul.


No it is unfair to bring up past history of dark times of a country that to this day is still paying for it.


Yes, I know. Even someone from modern Germany should be permitted to state his opinion on Ron Paul without being labeled a Nazi.

Some of my ancestors may have done some things of which I am not proud. That doesn't mean that I am not entitled to express an opinion about Ron Paul.


Opinion is one thing, smearing is another. People that push that 'newsletter' garbage aren't any different than birthers so as an Obama supporter, I hope you can understand the frustration these smears give me.

If you want to play guilt by association and the like, you can expect the same in return.



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07 May 2012, 2:56 pm

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Ok then. I'll let Ron Paul himself do the commenting:

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Did Ron Paul himself say these things or were they in those newsletters?

Because it is rather dishonest of you to say "I'll let Ron do the commenting" if you have no proof that he himself said these things.



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07 May 2012, 3:01 pm

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Ron Paul: the only one who makes any sense at all.


Except when he talks about abortion rights, guns, AIDS, science, evolution, African-Americans, Mexicans, Asians, rap music (he calls it "the thumping beat once heard on safari"), the so-called white race (which he fears is dying out), Jews, or the Mossad (which he holds responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing). He does make sense at times, but he's still as nutty as a squirrel. A squirrel that is working with anti-gay activists and accepts donations from white supremacist groups.


Your points are completely valid; and those words do bring up unease in myself. But then I remember that those are little more than views (and on a fair few fronts, their validity is contested heavily, see the other posters) -- on social issues, he's made his stance clear; he'll let individual states deal with it. Sure, he has views that arguably aren't compatible with the modern world, but he doesn't plan on pushing them on the populace. And on funding, what difference does it make? He doesn't lend any support to those groups, he just accepts their donations. Just because they endorse him doesn't mean he endorses them.

I find it a very dangerous thing to let one's opinions on someone's views dictate their endorsement; it's a mechanism that leads to us ultimately endorsing demagogues (ie, our current politicians). Let us look at what a man plans on doing, not what we suppose they believe (and we very well could be wrong).

And on an unrelated note; first post, yey.



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07 May 2012, 3:20 pm

Wait....Mitt Romney isn't stupid? :lol:


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07 May 2012, 3:38 pm

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Wait....Mitt Romney isn't stupid? :lol:

HaHa, I was just thinking about the title and that he only "looks" stupid???



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07 May 2012, 4:14 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Opinion is one thing, smearing is another. People that push that 'newsletter' garbage aren't any different than birthers so as an Obama supporter, I hope you can understand the frustration these smears give me.

If you want to play guilt by association and the like, you can expect the same in return.


I don't think that anyone was accusing you of being guilty of being associated with the newsletters.



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07 May 2012, 4:52 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Opinion is one thing, smearing is another. People that push that 'newsletter' garbage aren't any different than birthers so as an Obama supporter, I hope you can understand the frustration these smears give me.

If you want to play guilt by association and the like, you can expect the same in return.


I don't think that anyone was accusing you of being guilty of being associated with the newsletters.

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07 May 2012, 5:21 pm

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Ok then. I'll let Ron Paul himself do the commenting:

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Did Ron Paul himself say these things or were they in those newsletters?

Because it is rather dishonest of you to say "I'll let Ron do the commenting" if you have no proof that he himself said these things.


I think Ron Paul has managerial culpability for the actions of people he authorizes to write and speak on his behalf.

Do you suggest that he does not?



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07 May 2012, 6:44 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
Burzum wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Ok then. I'll let Ron Paul himself do the commenting:

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Did Ron Paul himself say these things or were they in those newsletters?

Because it is rather dishonest of you to say "I'll let Ron do the commenting" if you have no proof that he himself said these things.


I think Ron Paul has managerial culpability for the actions of people he authorizes to write and speak on his behalf.

Do you suggest that he does not?


He didn't write them or read them or know of offending passages until years after the fact. If Dr. Paul is guilty then what does that make Obama for his relationships with Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers?



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07 May 2012, 6:53 pm

Jacoby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Burzum wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Ok then. I'll let Ron Paul himself do the commenting:

...

Did Ron Paul himself say these things or were they in those newsletters?

Because it is rather dishonest of you to say "I'll let Ron do the commenting" if you have no proof that he himself said these things.


I think Ron Paul has managerial culpability for the actions of people he authorizes to write and speak on his behalf.

Do you suggest that he does not?


He didn't write them or read them or know of offending passages until years after the fact. If Dr. Paul is guilty then what does that make Obama for his relationships with Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers?


As far as we know, President Obama authorized neither Mr. Wright nor Mr. Ayers to write and speak on his behalf. And, neither of them wrote anything that they falsely attributed to President Obama.

And, no-one is saying that either Mr. Paul or President Obama may not associate with whomever they please. Having a quirky friend does not ipso facto make one a bad person.



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07 May 2012, 7:19 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Burzum wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Ok then. I'll let Ron Paul himself do the commenting:

...

Did Ron Paul himself say these things or were they in those newsletters?

Because it is rather dishonest of you to say "I'll let Ron do the commenting" if you have no proof that he himself said these things.


I think Ron Paul has managerial culpability for the actions of people he authorizes to write and speak on his behalf.

Do you suggest that he does not?


He didn't write them or read them or know of offending passages until years after the fact. If Dr. Paul is guilty then what does that make Obama for his relationships with Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers?


As far as we know, President Obama authorized neither Mr. Wright nor Mr. Ayers to write and speak on his behalf. And, neither of them wrote anything that they falsely attributed to President Obama.


Obama had Reverend Wright marry him and Michelle and baptized his kids on top of attending his church for 20 years. He also launched his political career from the living room Mr Ayers. I don't want to make assumptions about Obama based on his association with these people as I'm sure he's known a ton of kooks in his lifetime as we all have. The fact of the matter is that Ron Paul didn't write those newsletters and they in no way whatsoever represent his views. Anyone that is familiar Dr. Paul's belief system would know this, his entire career is a testament to this.



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07 May 2012, 7:26 pm

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The fact of the matter is that Ron Paul didn't write those newsletters and they in no way whatsoever represent his views. Anyone that is familiar Dr. Paul's belief system would know this, his entire career is a testament to this.


One would hope so. He did well in the debates. He is very convincing about foreign policy. I'm not convinced about a lot of his other ideas. It would have been interesting to have him debate President Obama. Mitt Romney obviously just takes any position that he thinks that people want to hear. At least Ron Paul seems consistent, and has some substance.



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07 May 2012, 7:30 pm

So, CatLord... Care to give us references for all of those "Paul quotes" so that we can unequivocally link them to him? I won't be holding my breath.

Fact of the matter is that Ron Paul is human, not a messiah or the Libertarian "anti-Marx." ALL politicians have put their foot in their mouth at least once in their lives. I don't agree with every single thing he promotes (for example, I consider myself a Monetarist, not an Austrian Economist), he has a penchant for rambling and sometimes makes me wince when I listen to him in the debates, but I ultimately judge the man based on his voting record compared to what he's said in public and promised his constituents.

If dropping the ball in managing his own newsletter is the worst thing about him, well... It sure beats voting for someone who supports legislation that strips away our Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights and kills suspected "terrorists" without due process. But what do I know... He must be the enemy of all human rights because he doesn't worship the ground queers walk on.

Yeah, I said it. And considering I'm attracted to men, women, and transgendered people emotionally and sexually, go ahead and accuse me of being a "basher" too.

No offense, but you REALLY get on my nerves with your inane jeremiads sometimes...



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08 May 2012, 12:50 am

Jacoby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Burzum wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Ok then. I'll let Ron Paul himself do the commenting:

...

Did Ron Paul himself say these things or were they in those newsletters?

Because it is rather dishonest of you to say "I'll let Ron do the commenting" if you have no proof that he himself said these things.


I think Ron Paul has managerial culpability for the actions of people he authorizes to write and speak on his behalf.

Do you suggest that he does not?


He didn't write them or read them or know of offending passages until years after the fact. If Dr. Paul is guilty then what does that make Obama for his relationships with Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers?


They were written by people who worked for him at the time, whom he had authorized to speak on his behalf. They used his name with his authorization. Failure to know what they were putting his name on is on him entirely. You are essentially arguing that Ron Paul hasn't the managerial acumen to delegate a newsletter.

Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers do not, and have not ever worked for Obama, nor have they been authorized to speak on his behalf.

Except for the ghost writing gig, anyway. Ayers totally wrote all of Obama's books.



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08 May 2012, 1:18 am

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And on funding, what difference does it make? He doesn't lend any support to those groups, he just accepts their donations. Just because they endorse him doesn't mean he endorses them.

It means they have an interest in his victory.

I don't know much about Ron Paul, so I am talking hypothetically, but say you are a politician and receive funds from openly white supremacist groups. You didn't do anything wrong, but they would probably not give you money if you were not at least open to white supremacy.