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29 May 2012, 5:52 pm

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And you seriously think most Christians today are Antisemitic?

Anti-semitism may very well nip at their toes. I think the potential for anti-semitism is very high among the devout Christians. Among habitual Christians (as I imagine most Christians) are I do not expect any more ambient anti-semitism than is at large in the society as a whole. Most people, in their heart of hearts do not spend much energy and time pondering the mysteries of their faith. They are too busy doing everyday ordinary things.

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29 May 2012, 6:58 pm

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And you seriously think most Christians today are Antisemitic?

I honestly can't say how devout I am, but for those I personally know in my particular congregation, I've never seen any hatred for Jews among them.
Maybe you need to get to know individual Christians a little better.

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29 May 2012, 7:12 pm

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And you seriously think most Christians today are Antisemitic?

I think that's true. The more hardcore elements are currently in a Judeophile mode, but a couple of generations ago, they were Judeophobes. There's an unhealthy fixation and it can flip easily. But most Christians are just regular people ... they pay lip service to the various whims and trends of the more intense believers, sometimes, but it's mostly just a philosophy that they find useful or heartening in their day to day life.

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29 May 2012, 8:17 pm

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When I was a kid, I was beaten bloody by some Christians, because I personally nailed Jesus to the Cross.

And I was abused for being Jewish by Christians several times in my childhood. Later on I heard the usual anti-semitkic crap-doodle from the lips of Christians. Now what am I supposed to think given my experience?

And you had the gall to tell me to go easy least I provoke anti-semitic attitudes. I don't have to provoke a thing. Anti-semitism is there without any help from me. It is all in the Gospels. All that badmouthing of Scribes and Pharasees etc. etc. etc. And all those crass remarks about Jews and Money. Insinuations about Jews being left-wingers and so on. In America there is a low level of ambient anti-semitism. Fortunately it is not of the degree that existed in your beloved Deutschland back in the 1930s.

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29 May 2012, 9:12 pm

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That's awful ruveyn, I hope you didn't sustain any permanent injury or anything.

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29 May 2012, 10:22 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

In America there is a low level of ambient anti-semitism. Fortunately it is not of the degree that existed in your beloved Deutschland back in the 1930s.

That's awful ruveyn, I hope you didn't sustain any permanent injury or anything.

Yes, it is awful, but it doesn't give him the right to be so rude to Kraichgauer.

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29 May 2012, 11:45 pm

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edgewaters wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

In America there is a low level of ambient anti-semitism. Fortunately it is not of the degree that existed in your beloved Deutschland back in the 1930s.

That's awful ruveyn, I hope you didn't sustain any permanent injury or anything.

Yes, it is awful, but it doesn't give him the right to be so rude to Kraichgauer.

Thank you.

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29 May 2012, 11:55 pm

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And when did all Christians do that to you? I honestly feel bad that cretins and thugs associating themselves with my faith had treated you so badly, but for you to say that that justifies your stereotyping of all Christians is no better.
And badmouthing the Scribes and Pharisees? They were the liberal modernists and fundamentalists of their day. Hard for me to feel much sympathy for them.
And by the way, as a leftist, I've always seen Jewish association with the left as a plus.

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30 May 2012, 2:36 am

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And when did all Christians do that to you?

He never said that.

He said, "I think the potential for anti-semitism is very high among the devout Christians." And then went on to talk about the majority in different terms.

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30 May 2012, 2:44 am

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And when did all Christians do that to you?

He never said that.

He said, "I think the potential for anti-semitism is very high among the devout Christians." And then went on to talk about the majority in different terms.

Who says those as*holes who hurt him were real Christians, and not just a bunch of pricks who picked on someone who was different, and used religion as a pretext?

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30 May 2012, 2:49 am

ruveyn wrote:

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And you seriously think most Christians today are Antisemitic?

Most devout Christians I know agree that Israel is the land of the Jews, because they are God's chosen people, according to the Bible.

What does it mean to be anti-Semitic to you?

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30 May 2012, 2:51 am

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edgewaters wrote:

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And when did all Christians do that to you?

He never said that.

He said, "I think the potential for anti-semitism is very high among the devout Christians." And then went on to talk about the majority in different terms.

Because a Christian can't be a prick who picks on someone because they're different?

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30 May 2012, 2:57 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

edgewaters wrote:

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And when did all Christians do that to you?

He never said that.

He said, "I think the potential for anti-semitism is very high among the devout Christians." And then went on to talk about the majority in different terms.

Because a Christian can't be a prick who picks on someone because they're different?

Then they're not very good Christians, are they?

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30 May 2012, 2:58 am

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edgewaters wrote:

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And when did all Christians do that to you?

He never said that.

He said, "I think the potential for anti-semitism is very high among the devout Christians." And then went on to talk about the majority in different terms.

The No True Scotsman Fallacy does.

I love how people like to take credit for all the good members and things of their group and then evade responsibility for the bad by saying "oh, they weren't really one of us." Nothing speaks to the honesty and sense of responsibility of a group, like that.

We're good! Always! We have a monopoly on good. Therefore whenever we do something bad, that wasn't really us. :roll:

Christianity has two millenia of antisemitism under its belt, and there are clear religious reasons for it. That couldn't possibly have anything to do with anything, could it?

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30 May 2012, 3:10 am

edgewaters wrote:

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edgewaters wrote:

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And when did all Christians do that to you?

He never said that.

He said, "I think the potential for anti-semitism is very high among the devout Christians." And then went on to talk about the majority in different terms.

Christianity has two millenia of antisemitism under its belt, and there are clear religious reasons for it. That couldn't possibly have anything to do with anything, could it?

I never said everyone calling themselves Christians have always behaved well. Again, real Christians are not going to hurt someone else. And yes, I concede there are very few very good Christians - and I admit I hardly fit into that group.

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30 May 2012, 3:14 am

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I know that trick too - only taking credit for acceptable/token wrongs, but still playing No True Scotsman with things for which taking responsibility is a real liability.

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