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Destroying Islam by revoking your rights and privacy?

They'd not be my rights and privacy. They'd be the rights and privacy of state-funded islamic schools (yes, they're constitutionally guaranteed), mosques known to be breeding grounds of hate speech and fundamentalism and people who've been to training camps in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Somalia or have donated large sums of money to suspicious organisations, occasionally while on welfare. I wonder why it's so hard and politically incorrect to call the problem by its name. I'd not be affected if they intensified surveillance on the type of people you've seen in the video on my thread - raving nutters who support murdering the infidels who pay for their stay.

And really, I'd rather have a government with my basic values institutionalized that has an increased right to surveillance than the bury-our-heads-in-the-sand type thing we've had so far, where people who murder popular politicians for their views get sentenced to eighteen years in a comfortable prison with chance of release after two-thirds of that.

Also, read my post. A bit closer. That's right, islamism. Not Islam, a religion I detest but tolerate in milder incarnations. Islamism. "Political Islam", the thought of their religion as an ideology and islamic law as a base for society. As seen in Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Iran and other bastions of freedom and democracy.

(Thread returned from the void to PPR. Haven't found out why or who removed it. While the thread contains elements that may be considered by some people to be controversial I can't see that the thread breaks any site rules, and seems within the normal realms of debate for PPR).

Thanks for the thread being reinstated. But... (yes, I have a big one)

And this is even weirder. While I am of course happy to see it returned, it is a calumny that free debate should ever have been restricted in the first place. This is a debating forum, don't forget, and we must all feel free to express ourselves here calmly and politely.

Everyone is free to express themselves calmly and politely but several people reported posts about taking away rights and privacy of others(yes they were militants of a religion but thats not the point since it referred to a specific religion instead of militants of all religions, yes it may be shocking to some of you but islamism isnt the only religion with militants that are causing trouble )and since Im not experienced on whats acceptable on this section and it seemed a bit out of line I took it of public view until someone with more experience on this section came along

Quite. Christian headcases are a bloody nuisance as well (as can be seen in the U.S. and in some of the Caribbean and African nations, and also in the past), but they aren't anywhere near as much of a problem in much of Europe as Islam is at the moment. Christianity is often an irritant but most Christians here keep to themselves.

How long have you been labouring under the misapprehension that this forum is open to free debate?

This is private space, owned by an individual, who sets the rules and appoints those who are responsible for those rules. Within those rules we are free to debate, but free debate can be restricted at the whim of the owner of the site. And fair enough--we are in his home, we respect his rules.

You should save every thread you post in, and when you have a nice cache of deleted threads, post a file containing them and try to figure out why they were deleted.

You might come to the conclusion that they were deleted by accident.

Analogizing this website with Alex's house makes no sense to me. This website is a product, and we are the consumers. If that were not the case there would be no ads.

Which only means that he has a commercial interest in what takes place here. But that does not elevate it from the private sphere to the public sphere.

If the analogy is more apt, I will amend my statement: "And fair enough--we are in his place of business, we respect his rules."

Still, if modding isn't documented on a mod forum, since I assume a thread going bye bye has to be related to the action of someone with the power to move threads, its a huge problem. It's one of those "if we had a couple of mods who are to the right of, Che Guevara it may balance out".

Don't get me started on moderation.

Alex has far too few mods for the size of this board. One of the reasons that I'm not a financial supporter of WP is that I'm not going to risk being a funder if something happens on this site due to his twin decisions to have it moderated and to have the moderation function improperly resourced.