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29 May 2012, 8:45 pm

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What do the Germans do at night?

Try generating solar power at night. See how successful you are.

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You misunderstand how Germany uses solar power. During the day when the sun is shining they get as much of their electricity as possible from solar. During that time they reduce the power output from nuclear and fossil fuels. At night, which tends to have lower electricity demand anyway, the nuclear/fossil fuel plants will produce some more electricity to make up for what is no longer available from solar. Essentially solar panels are just used to save nuclear/fossil fuel when they can. And it has reduced their CO2 emissions.

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You're absolutely joking aren't you? They're an outright menace.

Please tell me this is sarcasm?



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29 May 2012, 8:50 pm

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DC wrote:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/climate-germany-solar-idINDEE84R0CY20120528

Germany managed to produce 35% of peak electricity demand from solar power on Friday and 50% of peak demand on Saturday.

You guys still think it so outrageous to abandon fossil fuels?

There is a sexy widget on this website that shows you the figures:

http://www.sma.de/en/company/pv-electri ... rmany.html


What do the Germans do at night?

Try generating solar power at night. See how successful you are.

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Perhaps someday that will be a non-issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power


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29 May 2012, 9:00 pm

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Please tell me this is sarcasm?


Do tell me what happens when it gets a bit gusty, won't you? Oh, yes, that's right - they blow up. And they don't work when it's too windy, either. God save us all.



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29 May 2012, 9:01 pm

I'm hoping that solar/wind energy will be utilitzed more in the future. Oil isn't going to be around forever, and we could still use it for many other produces besides for our vehicles and nuclear power is increasingly worrying.

Radioactive tuna from Japan found off California coast

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Los Angeles(KTLA) — Scientists say that migrating Pacific bluefin tuna off California’s coast are carrying radioactive contamination from Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident


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29 May 2012, 9:02 pm

One more reason I'm glad I don't eat fish, I suppose :P


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29 May 2012, 9:06 pm

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The wave of the future...



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29 May 2012, 9:21 pm

Tequila wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Please tell me this is sarcasm?


Do tell me what happens when it gets a bit gusty, won't you? Oh, yes, that's right - they blow up. And they don't work when it's too windy, either. God save us all.


not taking the amount of turbines in the world into account and the new generation turbines jsut as i told you the last time you started down this road

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Scientists say that, even with the increased radioactivity, the levels in the tuna are still within the limits of what is safe to eat.


just because you detect it does not make it dangerous, you have several radioactive materials in your body right now and most of it natural.
fruit is radioactive, especially bananas and brazil nuts, they will even set off some on site radiation detectors when they screen the workers at the start of each day.

all this shows is that we need more education and training, it shows little about the actual technology.
besides what alternatives do people have if they dont want green or nuclear energy in the future?, oil is finite and is becoming more and more expensive, not only because of demand but also because of increasing cost of extraction.
ethanol? that would require we use some land for farming it, on a planet where we even today are having trouble feeding people, even in the west, though much of that is down to greed and ego.


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29 May 2012, 9:36 pm

Vigilans wrote:
One more reason I'm glad I don't eat fish, I suppose :P


It's still relatively safe, but if you had the choice, anyone would take the clean fish over the swimming cancer. It's over time that these events will become more numerous, and by the time it's too late to do something, that might be it!
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Scientists say that, even with the increased radioactivity, the levels in the tuna are still within the limits of what is safe to eat.


just because you detect it does not make it dangerous, you have several radioactive materials in your body right now and most of it natural.


Think anytime soon they are going to separate the glowing fish from the non glowing fish at the supermarket?


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29 May 2012, 9:39 pm

i didnt see any radiation figures in the article whcih leads me to suspect its probably trace amounts, meaning in the case of tuna heavy metal poisening would kill you well before the radiation would.(some of which comes directly from leaded fuel)
that is why its ridicoulous, well that and the fact that nuclear power doesnt have to be inherently unstable, you can construct safer alternatives with less waste.


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29 May 2012, 10:17 pm

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The wave of the future...

That's a pretty bizarre picture. I'd never heard of that happening. I'm assuming it must be pretty rare considering the number of non-exploding wind turbines out there. x But I see no reason why some clever engineering can't solve that. From what Oodain says it already has.
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You're absolutely joking aren't you? They're an outright menace.


In any case, you were responding to a comment about solar panels, not wind turbines.



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29 May 2012, 11:04 pm

How are we getting hung up on aesthetic appeal with this topic?
Just place the panels or windmills or what-have-you strategically such that their visibility from common tourist destinations is minimized. Coal, oil, and natural gas plants are hardly pleasing to the eyes.



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29 May 2012, 11:38 pm

Raptor wrote:
DC wrote:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/climate-germany-solar-idINDEE84R0CY20120528

Germany managed to produce 35% of peak electricity demand from solar power on Friday and 50% of peak demand on Saturday.

You guys still think it so outrageous to abandon fossil fuels?

There is a sexy widget on this website that shows you the figures:

http://www.sma.de/en/company/pv-electri ... rmany.html


When they can make a full size (or even mid size) electric SUV or pickup, or something along the lines of an electric Mustang GT that can perform the same as their fuel combustion counterparts then we'll talk.



*High5* 8)



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29 May 2012, 11:54 pm

Oodain wrote:
Tequila wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Please tell me this is sarcasm?


Do tell me what happens when it gets a bit gusty, won't you? Oh, yes, that's right - they blow up. And they don't work when it's too windy, either. God save us all.


not taking the amount of turbines in the world into account and the new generation turbines jsut as i told you the last time you started down this road

@snapcap
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Scientists say that, even with the increased radioactivity, the levels in the tuna are still within the limits of what is safe to eat.


just because you detect it does not make it dangerous, you have several radioactive materials in your body right now and most of it natural.
fruit is radioactive, especially bananas and brazil nuts, they will even set off some on site radiation detectors when they screen the workers at the start of each day.

all this shows is that we need more education and training, it shows little about the actual technology.
besides what alternatives do people have if they dont want green or nuclear energy in the future?, oil is finite and is becoming more and more expensive, not only because of demand but also because of increasing cost of extraction.
ethanol? that would require we use some land for farming it, on a planet where we even today are having trouble feeding people, even in the west, though much of that is down to greed and ego.



Sustained winds over a long period of time has shown to cause the speed brakes to fail. The amount of current generated is directly proportional to the rotational speed. Since the electrical conductors inside the turbine have resistance, part of the energy transduced into electricity is dissipated as heat. Too much current produces excess heat which causes the metallic components to catch fire in the presence of oxygen. So there you go.



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30 May 2012, 3:30 am

snapcap wrote:
I'm hoping that solar/wind energy will be utilitzed more in the future. Oil isn't going to be around forever, and we could still use it for many other produces besides for our vehicles and nuclear power is increasingly worrying.

Radioactive tuna from Japan found off California coast

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Los Angeles(KTLA) — Scientists say that migrating Pacific bluefin tuna off California’s coast are carrying radioactive contamination from Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident


From your article:

Scientists say that, even with the increased radioactivity, the levels in the tuna are still within the limits of what is safe to eat.

More unfounded scare mongering.

Tsunami - 28,000 deaths
Fukushima - 0 deaths

I can't recall there ever being such a global media panic over an event that killed zero people...



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30 May 2012, 3:37 am

DC wrote:
snapcap wrote:
I'm hoping that solar/wind energy will be utilitzed more in the future. Oil isn't going to be around forever, and we could still use it for many other produces besides for our vehicles and nuclear power is increasingly worrying.

Radioactive tuna from Japan found off California coast

Quote:
Los Angeles(KTLA) — Scientists say that migrating Pacific bluefin tuna off California’s coast are carrying radioactive contamination from Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident


From your article:

Scientists say that, even with the increased radioactivity, the levels in the tuna are still within the limits of what is safe to eat.

More unfounded scare mongering.

Tsunami - 28,000 deaths
Fukushima - 0 deaths

I can't recall there ever being such a global media panic over an event that killed zero people...


If there was a death caused by cancer, how could you separate it from someone going to die from cancer anyway, even if the tsunami didn't occur?


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30 May 2012, 6:19 am

AspieRogue wrote:
Oodain wrote:
Tequila wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Please tell me this is sarcasm?


Do tell me what happens when it gets a bit gusty, won't you? Oh, yes, that's right - they blow up. And they don't work when it's too windy, either. God save us all.


not taking the amount of turbines in the world into account and the new generation turbines jsut as i told you the last time you started down this road

@snapcap
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Scientists say that, even with the increased radioactivity, the levels in the tuna are still within the limits of what is safe to eat.


just because you detect it does not make it dangerous, you have several radioactive materials in your body right now and most of it natural.
fruit is radioactive, especially bananas and brazil nuts, they will even set off some on site radiation detectors when they screen the workers at the start of each day.

all this shows is that we need more education and training, it shows little about the actual technology.
besides what alternatives do people have if they dont want green or nuclear energy in the future?, oil is finite and is becoming more and more expensive, not only because of demand but also because of increasing cost of extraction.
ethanol? that would require we use some land for farming it, on a planet where we even today are having trouble feeding people, even in the west, though much of that is down to greed and ego.



Sustained winds over a long period of time has shown to cause the speed brakes to fail. The amount of current generated is directly proportional to the rotational speed. Since the electrical conductors inside the turbine have resistance, part of the energy transduced into electricity is dissipated as heat. Too much current produces excess heat which causes the metallic components to catch fire in the presence of oxygen. So there you go.


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