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04 Jun 2012, 4:50 pm

I think it's wrong because:

1) Forgiveness is a virtue, revenge isn't. I admit, people who murder children with hammers, or politicians who cause mass suffering with their selfishness or incompetence, I sometimes half feel we should just kill them, but I feel like those kind of people are too insane to really hold accountable for their actions so it's kinda like hating a grizzly bear for mauling campers. Nobody's been in their shoes and knows exactly what caused them to become that way, we aren't worthy of taking them out of the world.

2) I'm not convinced the death penalty gives closure to families.

3) Putting death penalty on the table for murder opens the possibility it could be used for lesser crimes.

4) As corny as it sounds, I think everyone deserves a chance at a second chance. Though obviously when talking about serial killers and the like, it should be given very rarely.

5) There is no evidence the death penalty has any effect on the crime rate.

6) Innocent people can and have been put to death. That's really reason enough alone to be against the death penalty.


I think for the most heinous crimes (anything from basic murder upward) there should be a sentence of 25 years without the chance of parole. Then a random sampling of the general public should be called every 10 years to decide if they should be freed. The way I see it, this makes it so everyone technically has a faint hope of being rehabilitated but the really dangerous people, such as serial killers, would never be freed.



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04 Jun 2012, 4:55 pm

I'm on the fence with this one. Some acts are so unspeakable, so vile and their perpetrators so beyond rehabilitation that incarcerating them seems pointless - why warehouse a waste of oxygen like that, when their actions don't warrant it? if someone behaves in a manner unfitting that of a human being, they forfeit the right to be treated like one. A vicious animal which attacks people is put down, since that is its nature. So should it be with those who commit the most appalling offences.

The problem with this is that of proving beyond doubt their guilt - history is littered with unsafe convictions, trumped up charges, miscarriages of justice. You can't unexecute an innocent person.


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04 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

duncvis wrote:
I'm on the fence with this one. Some acts are so unspeakable, so vile and their perpetrators so beyond rehabilitation that incarcerating them seems pointless - why warehouse a waste of oxygen like that, when their actions don't warrant it? if someone behaves in a manner unfitting that of a human being, they forfeit the right to be treated like one. A vicious animal which attacks people is put down, since that is its nature. So should it be with those who commit the most appalling offences.

The problem with this is that of proving beyond doubt their guilt - history is littered with unsafe convictions, trumped up charges, miscarriages of justice. You can't unexecute an innocent person.


My problem actually isn't so much the execution itself but the display of 'righteous' hate the general public does. I think if we are gonna execute people, which I don't think we should, it should be a somber occasion, not a celebratory one. A family is still losing a loved one.



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04 Jun 2012, 6:12 pm

in the UK we only have the death penty
for 2 things

high treason agenest the queen
being a prireat



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04 Jun 2012, 6:17 pm

donnie_darko wrote:

My problem actually isn't so much the execution itself but the display of 'righteous' hate the general public does. I think if we are gonna execute people, which I don't think we should, it should be a somber occasion, not a celebratory one. A family is still losing a loved one.


Agreed with the bolded section, in so much as gloating is never pleasant. Justice as public spectacle misses the point.


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04 Jun 2012, 7:07 pm

Capital Punishment is showing its wrong to kill people by killing people. Before you answer any question on the subject of Capital punishment, you must answer this: Is it OK to kill another human being that is not an immediate threat to you?


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04 Jun 2012, 8:35 pm

Here is a documentary that some of you may enjoy. It concerns the history of executions during the 20th century.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvuLAZxgOM[/youtube]

It might tend to change the minds of even the most ardent supporters of execution.



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04 Jun 2012, 9:27 pm

Those who think no one deserves to die have obviously never seen what the kind of people who get the death penalty usually do.



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05 Jun 2012, 4:52 am

Rainy wrote:
Those who think no one deserves to die have obviously never seen what the kind of people who get the death penalty usually do.


Penal colonies would achieve the same end. Separating the wrong doer from the society completely. And incase of a mistaken sentence the person in the colony could be retrieved.

When the wrong person is executed that is that.

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05 Jun 2012, 5:17 am

ruveyn wrote:
Rainy wrote:
Those who think no one deserves to die have obviously never seen what the kind of people who get the death penalty usually do.


Penal colonies would achieve the same end. Separating the wrong doer from the society completely. And incase of a mistaken sentence the person in the colony could be retrieved.

When the wrong person is executed that is that.

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Jackpot!

I have been wanting to say for this so long, but I agree with ruveyn on this one!

No hard feelings, lol. I like the way you think, even though we disagree on some things.



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05 Jun 2012, 6:37 am

ruveyn wrote:
Rainy wrote:
Those who think no one deserves to die have obviously never seen what the kind of people who get the death penalty usually do.


Penal colonies would achieve the same end. Separating the wrong doer from the society completely. And incase of a mistaken sentence the person in the colony could be retrieved.

When the wrong person is executed that is that.

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I said some people deserve to die, not whether or not the judical system does a good job of making sure those people are the only ones who die.



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05 Jun 2012, 6:40 am

I don't like the idea of a "justice system". I prefer the idea of an "internal defense system". If someone is dangerous, then lock them up. They are no longer dangerous, and there is no reason to kill them.



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05 Jun 2012, 9:04 am

Rainy wrote:

I said some people deserve to die, not whether or not the judical system does a good job of making sure those people are the only ones who die.


So you did. Have you died, gone to heaven and become God. In that case you can make such judgements. Otherwise it will suffice to remove the malfeasants from our midst for our safety and peace. Revenge is an ugly motive and should not be confused with justice.

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05 Jun 2012, 9:55 am

"Many who live deserve death. Some who die deserve life. Can you give it to them?"
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05 Jun 2012, 2:18 pm

I also dislike death penalty.
I think people always fail when they evaluate other people's lives.
(death penalties, punishments or rewards are in my eyes ratings about the value of the individual)



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05 Jun 2012, 2:40 pm

Aelfwine wrote:
I also dislike death penalty.
I think people always fail when they evaluate other people's lives.
(death penalties, punishments or rewards are in my eyes ratings about the value of the individual)


The death penalty brings to mind Cromwell's supplication.

I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken?

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