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09 Jun 2012, 12:36 pm

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If it is not in the constitution it did not happen


:lmao:

Play nice with joker, you know he can't tell when you're like this.


I don't understand sarcasm at all it so confusing :lol:



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09 Jun 2012, 12:43 pm

I'm not being sarcastic, its my birthday and I am feeling satirical

Also, it sounds to me like you have been reading too much of that combined Koran-Communist Manifesto by BARABck Osama


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09 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm

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I'm not being sarcastic, its my birthday and I am feeling satirical

Also, it sounds to me like you have been reading too much of that combined Koran-Communist Manifesto by BARABck Osama


I am not a Communist I am a strong political indepenent so strong that I do not have any ties to any politcal party of political ideology.



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09 Jun 2012, 12:47 pm

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I'm not being sarcastic, its my birthday and I am feeling satirical

Also, it sounds to me like you have been reading too much of that combined Koran-Communist Manifesto by BARABck Osama


BARABck Hussein Os(b)ama??? :razz:


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09 Jun 2012, 12:50 pm

Kjas wrote:
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I'm not being sarcastic, its my birthday and I am feeling satirical

Also, it sounds to me like you have been reading too much of that combined Koran-Communist Manifesto by BARABck Osama


BARABck Hussein Os(b)ama??? :razz:


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09 Jun 2012, 12:52 pm

The US pursues it's interests in the world as it exists. Plus, we were the leading western faction during the cold war. Russia was snapping up any client states that we didnt get. Collective security was and is an axiom in the West.

In terms of deals, almost all nations make deals with dictators. That's the world.



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09 Jun 2012, 12:52 pm

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If it is not in the constitution it did not happen


Lots of things america has done has affected the Middel East we put the Taliban in power we put Saddam Hussein in power to.


Just in case you missed some history classes. These both happened during the cold war. It was either help someone fighting the russians or let the russians keep expanding. Most of that list follows this exact same format. Its a lesser of two evils. Notice many of them were through ww2 and shortly afterwards. This entire list is just an alliedship for ww2 and cold war.



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09 Jun 2012, 12:54 pm

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If it is not in the constitution it did not happen


Lots of things america has done has affected the Middel East we put the Taliban in power we put Saddam Hussein in power to.


Just in case you missed some history classes. These both happened during the cold war. It was either help someone fighting the russians or let the russians keep expanding. Most of that list follows this exact same format. Its a lesser of two evils. Notice many of them were through ww2 and shortly afterwards. This entire list is just an alliedship for ww2 and cold war.


I know that then they turned on us we should have given those wepons to a dffrent group doesn't change the fact that they still hate us then and now.



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09 Jun 2012, 12:55 pm

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The US pursues it's interests in the world as it exists. Plus, we were the leading western faction during the cold war. Russia was snapping up any client states that we didnt get. Collective security was and is an axiom in the West.

In terms of deals, almost all nations make deals with dictators. That's the world.


The US has also given wepons the terrorists even supported the IRA at one point.



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09 Jun 2012, 12:55 pm

The list will be longer in future.
Which is better, moral or practical foreign policy?
Should the Western foreign policy support dictatorships in future if it is necessary?



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09 Jun 2012, 1:03 pm

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Oh I was told though by Shatbat in another thread that he commited geneocide though I can not seem to find any form of proof that he did.


I just verified with Shatbat, and he is in agreement with me that Torrijos never committed genocide.

Trujillo did commit genocide. The names are very similar, and I thought you may have mixed them up. Would that be possible?


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09 Jun 2012, 1:04 pm

Joker wrote:
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The US pursues it's interests in the world as it exists. Plus, we were the leading western faction during the cold war. Russia was snapping up any client states that we didnt get. Collective security was and is an axiom in the West.

In terms of deals, almost all nations make deals with dictators. That's the world.


The US has also given wepons the terrorists even supported the IRA at one point.



The US didnt help the IRA as far as I know. Irish Americans who lived in the US sent money to them. That's not government policy. And when we helped the Mujahudeen in Afghanistan, they were rebels fighting our cold war enemy. It took them a decade or more for some to morph into terrorists.

We may well be supporting bombing and assasination campaigns in Iran but there is no hard evidence. And we supported rebels in Iraq pre Gulf 2. What you call them depends on which side you are on.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:08 pm

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Joker wrote:
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The US pursues it's interests in the world as it exists. Plus, we were the leading western faction during the cold war. Russia was snapping up any client states that we didnt get. Collective security was and is an axiom in the West.

In terms of deals, almost all nations make deals with dictators. That's the world.


The US has also given wepons the terrorists even supported the IRA at one point.



The US didnt help the IRA as far as I know. Irish Americans who lived in the US sent money to them. That's not government policy. And when we helped the Mujahudeen in Afghanistan, they were rebels fighting our cold war enemy. It took them a decade or more for some to morph into terrorists.

We may well be supporting bombing and assasination campaigns in Iran but there is no hard evidence. And we supported rebels in Iraq pre Gulf 2. What you call them depends on which side you are on.


The CIA where sending wepons to the IRA in exchange for money.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:08 pm

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Oh I was told though by Shatbat in another thread that he commited geneocide though I can not seem to find any form of proof that he did.


I just verified with Shatbat, and he is in agreement with me that Torrijos never committed genocide.

Trujillo did commit genocide. The names are very similar, and I thought you may have mixed them up. Would that be possible?


Yes that is correct got the names mixed up.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:09 pm

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The list will be longer in future.
Which is better, moral or practical foreign policy?
Should the Western foreign policy support dictatorships in future if it is necessary?


No we should not it creates enemys of the State doing that.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:11 pm

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Joker wrote:
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The US pursues it's interests in the world as it exists. Plus, we were the leading western faction during the cold war. Russia was snapping up any client states that we didnt get. Collective security was and is an axiom in the West.

In terms of deals, almost all nations make deals with dictators. That's the world.


The US has also given wepons the terrorists even supported the IRA at one point.



The US didnt help the IRA as far as I know. Irish Americans who lived in the US sent money to them. That's not government policy. And when we helped the Mujahudeen in Afghanistan, they were rebels fighting our cold war enemy. It took them a decade or more for some to morph into terrorists.

We may well be supporting bombing and assasination campaigns in Iran but there is no hard evidence. And we supported rebels in Iraq pre Gulf 2. What you call them depends on which side you are on.


Pretty much this. Also following a trail of who we "support" is stupid. Lets look to the recent egyptian troubles. There was a famous case of someone finding american tear gas grenades being used by the egyptian government. This was seen as if we were directly supporting them (you know completely forgetting the aircraft carrier and squads of F15s overflying egypt ready to shoot down any attacking Egyptian airforce airplanes. Who knows how they got those grenades. They could have bought them long ago before any of this instability reached the point of cutting them off. They could have been bought through a middle man. Who really knows? All that did happen was blaming americans with no real proof.