What do you think is going to happen with Iran

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My bad (the check I was expecting form Iran just cleared) I am 100% behide Iran
now! Hell I'm even going to re-invest my payoff money in a private company in
Iran to make small atomic batteries for pda's. I will sandwich radioactive elements on
a phosphor setting on solar cells!! !! !! !! ! Hell yeah baby!!

Hey, I'm not overtly accusing you of jingoism, so hush.

Your saying what should be done. I think the thread is more what will be done. They
will not be permited to enrich uranium. Either by a mutal agreement (they get something from the US) or by bombing those enrichment plans. My guess the US
will not be the ones that drop the bombs. It will be via our proxy Israel.

My guess is the enrichment plants have been placed under enough steel re-enforced concrete to withstand known bunker busting weapons(non-nuclear warhead ones ).
Which mean something is in the black budget for years is being tested now and when
its ready it will be used. My guess they will drop Bruce Willis in their with some mining
equipment and the ATeam for the backup plan.

Lighten up dude. Its not like your passion on this topic is going to make any difference
in the outcome. You got to learn to let the world crash and burn.

Fine. Here's what'll be done: nothing. They're operating within the confines of the NPT.

Hello, there, Mister Iran, would you please nip off your balls and serve them to us with a garnish? If it hasn't occurred to you yet, Iran is a highly ambitious country, as it always has been, and they're not going to tolerate being treated like some third-rate, Third World crapper. Treating them as anything other than equal partners is going to put us on bad relations with them, and we'll NEVER be able to persuade them to bury the hatchet with Israel and help us mount a full-scale invasion of Syria. Syria sucks.

I am highly pro-Israel, dude, and I've defended them on a number of issues. Despite any mistakes they may have made in the past, they're not stupid. Israel would not deploy their nuclear arsenal except as a last resort, and Iran is quite capable of defending itself via conventional weaponry. Also, I think that it would be a very bad move for Israel to irreperably soil their relationship with Iran. It's high time we dragged them to the peace table. I want them on the same team when we finally mount a full-scale invasion of Syria and bomb them back to the stone age. They're like a cancer, man. I'm not serious about attacking them, but I have far more criticism for them AND their style of government than I do for Iran.

Dude, I do this as a hobby.

why should the US have a right to decide how to 'proceed' with other countries...

sheesh wikipedia has lots of stuff on countries trying to be empires.....which one of them worked?

what is the point of a united nations etc? if the US acts like a rogue state?

why is the US having 5800 nukes fine....but countries that aren't friends this year having them not good?

becos somehow the US government/military consists of morally higher beings?

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If Iran can maintain the status quo till the next US president takes office (likely to
be pro-peace ) then your right nothing will be done. With Bush's failed war
in Iraq and with nothing to loose and if Israel does not attack my guess Bush will
try again in Iran. Other than the US and Israel Iran has pretty good realtions with the
rest of the world so I'm sure oneday its going to work out, but it could get worst before
it gets better. Since it is only the US and Israel that have a problem with Iran i doubt
internation law of the NPT will mean much.

Just got an idea. We(US) admit or policies in IRAQ and Iran have been wrong
for 30 years and we are pulling out of Iraq and Iran can come into Iraq as peace keepers. We agree to free trade with Iran , agree to defend them if they are attacked
they can enrich all they want but allow real IAEA inspection of all nuclear research centers and we throw in a carton of smokes.

He couldn't. The Dems have taken control of Congress, and they wouldn't allow it, particularly not with him at the helm.

Or it could just get better, which is perfectly doable.

You mean since the freaking Republicans are self-destructively jingoistic. They're not in power anymore.

Beyond that, we need to push hard for them to take a more sensible stand on Israel. I'm not universally against heavy-handed diplomacy, but I'm not a fool. Patronizing a country like Iran will get us nowhere.

I'm not sure on the War Powers Act but basically Bush could start a 30 day war
without Congress. But the nature of that war would be a limited air strike. A large massive surface explosion could in theory destroy the equipment in a bunker with out penetrating it. In the same way a large non-penetrating warhead( non shape charged and not harden) can defeat a tank. By creating such a massive shock that bits of the inner wall/ hardware/etc become deadly little projectiles killing the tank crew. A massive drop of dumb bombs with timers set to go off at the same time (sub millisecond ) and The bombs would be harden and bury several feet ,Could destroy
a bunker.

Bush would be on his way to The Hague the next month, and we'd be paying reparations to the Iranian government for years. Also, such a cowardly tactic would completely annihilate our legitimacy in world politics. It would be a supremely stupid act.

That great British 'pro-peace' leader Neuville Chamberlain did just that with Hitler. Read your history books to see what happened next.

Mike

The Nazis were nationalists, though. Nationalists and fundies together warrent the deliverance of massive doses of pain. Besides, I think that the UN should exercise a heavier paw in discouraging any efforts by the mullahs to bring about further Islamic Revolutions, not a lighter one. Their hand in Hezbollah highly annoys me. However, we need to clearly distinguish between the mullahs and the legitimate government and assist the Persians in building themselves up as a liberal democracy, on respectful terms.

You got to be kidding. Iran is a country is not unlike Nazi Germany. If you really think that we can compromise to a bunch of nutjobs who would like to blow you up in the name of their God, your a fool. Even CNN, a liberal news channel has said that we need to start getting ready to take down this threat. When you see Iran's people chanting " Death To America","Death To The UK", Death To Israel", it is quite clear what we are dealing. No amount of peace talks will do any good. We tried to compromised Hitler and it almost cost us big.

Okay, is there any conclusive evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and not simply a civilian energy program?

That said, even if they had nuclear weapons they couldn't use them because Israel has enough nukes to send them back to the stone age. So I'm not worried much about it.

I think it's just yet more fear-mongering by neo-cons.

Man, you really are delusional.

The thing is, they're not. They're just a bunch of stuffy, old men. Most Iranian youths passionately hate them.

Center-right.

Conservatives everywhere are the threat. Shoot on sight.

And I propose bringing the country around to common sense, not giving them more reasons to say these things. You're batshit loony if you're convinced that keeping the Iranians half-convinced we're going to start hurling patriot missiles at them will somehow make western liberalism amazingly popular in the streets of Tehran.

It's our only viable option, and, besides, there is a strong political movement in Iran, itself, that is willing to reject the mullahs and join with the civilized world. Getting this to happen, however, requires one to realize that the Persians are and always will be a highly vain and ambitious people.

"We" did nothing at the time. Jingoistic fa***ts like you were chanting "America First!" throughout most of this time period.

Take a good look at history. This is a pretty simular situation now as it was during the beginning of Nazi Germany. You really think that talking peace to a guy who wants to blow you and your family up in the name of God. Anyone with the common sense of a door knob knows that you cannot compromise evil.